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Mail From: Ralph Butler (email redacted)
For those of us who have dreams of installing a T5 in our classic Mustangs,
the Jan97 issue of Mustang and Fords has a brief write-up of the T5 SWAP.
It says, "The T5 fits early Mustangs, as if Ford planned to install it 32
years age. Cutting the floorpan or body is not required, and the reaar
trans mount bolts to existing holes. In addition, the original speedometer
cable is retained, along with clutch linkage." (good news)
It also says, " One thing to be aware of when buying a used T5 is wether or
not it's a V-8 or four-cyclinder version. The way to tell is the input
shaft tip diameter that fits into the piolet bushing, because the diameter
of the four-cylinder version is 0.590 inch, and the V-8 is larger at 0.664 inch"
It also says that California Pony Cars has a T5 swap kit for early
bell-housings that includes a trans cross member, mount, yoke, hardware, and
spacer plate. I recall that Sacramento Mustang also sells T5 swap kits.
A check with a local bone yard - used T5's are $650.
Questions:
- is this a good price?
- when one buys a used T5, what "preventive maintence" should one do, i.e.
seals, gaskets, oil change, etc.?
-Is a T5 and a 3.50 rear end combo a good setup for a daily driver with an
occasional open track event?
Dan Jones may have some expertise in this area????
Thanks,
Ralph Butler
(email redacted)
'69 Fastback (H Code)
Mail From: Ralph Butler (email redacted)
For those of us who have dreams of installing a T5 in our classic Mustangs,
the Jan97 issue of Mustang and Fords has a brief write-up of the T5 SWAP.
It says, "The T5 fits early Mustangs, as if Ford planned to install it 32
years age. Cutting the floorpan or body is not required, and the reaar
trans mount bolts to existing holes. In addition, the original speedometer
cable is retained, along with clutch linkage." (good news)
It also says, " One thing to be aware of when buying a used T5 is wether or
not it's a V-8 or four-cyclinder version. The way to tell is the input
shaft tip diameter that fits into the piolet bushing, because the diameter
of the four-cylinder version is 0.590 inch, and the V-8 is larger at 0.664 inch"
It also says that California Pony Cars has a T5 swap kit for early
bell-housings that includes a trans cross member, mount, yoke, hardware, and
spacer plate. I recall that Sacramento Mustang also sells T5 swap kits.
A check with a local bone yard - used T5's are $650.
Questions:
- is this a good price?
- when one buys a used T5, what "preventive maintence" should one do, i.e.
seals, gaskets, oil change, etc.?
-Is a T5 and a 3.50 rear end combo a good setup for a daily driver with an
occasional open track event?
Dan Jones may have some expertise in this area????
Thanks,
Ralph Butler
(email redacted)
'69 Fastback (H Code)
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Mail From: Steven M. Chimera (email redacted)
Ralph Butler wrote:
>
> For those of us who have dreams of installing a T5 in our classic Mustangs,
> the Jan97 issue of Mustang and Fords has a brief write-up of the T5 SWAP.
>
> It says, "The T5 fits early Mustangs, as if Ford planned to install it 32
> years age. Cutting the floorpan or body is not required, and the reaar
> trans mount bolts to existing holes. In addition, the original speedometer
> cable is retained, along with clutch linkage." (good news)
>
> It also says, " One thing to be aware of when buying a used T5 is wether or
> not it's a V-8 or four-cyclinder version. The way to tell is the input
> shaft tip diameter that fits into the piolet bushing, because the diameter
> of the four-cylinder version is 0.590 inch, and the V-8 is larger at 0.664 inch"
>
> It also says that California Pony Cars has a T5 swap kit for early
> bell-housings that includes a trans cross member, mount, yoke, hardware, and
> spacer plate. I recall that Sacramento Mustang also sells T5 swap kits.
>
> A check with a local bone yard - used T5's are $650.
> Questions:
> - is this a good price?
> - when one buys a used T5, what "preventive maintence" should one do, i.e.
> seals, gaskets, oil change, etc.?
> -Is a T5 and a 3.50 rear end combo a good setup for a daily driver with an
> occasional open track event?
>
> Dan Jones may have some expertise in this area????
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Butler
> (email redacted)
> '69 Fastback (H Code)
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Thanks for the info, I have been having problems with my C4 on my 67
with a 351W and I got the vibration down to almost nothing but I believe
it may be in the trans and the 4.11 gears are hard to go on a freeway
trip over 60mph. To sum it up, I would like to solve the vibration
question and I would like a stick on my hot rod any way. I also would
love a little more gear to move into overdrive for cruising. The C4
won't do it for me. I was told the T5 is a good tranny and would like
to know of any articles that can be refered on a step by step for the
small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6 speed. I
would be able to spend under 1K for parts. I have a 69 351W , about
350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
racing.
BTW I just glanced at that article and it seemed to be on the 6 speed,
is it the same for the 5 speed?
I would appreciate any feedback since it is now winter project time and
I can get the parts soon enough for a winter project if the info sounds
good.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Steve Chimera
67 Mustang Sport Sprint coupe
President, Northeastern Ohio Mustang Club
.....a $500 club donor for the Mustang Museum, donate today!
Mail From: Steven M. Chimera (email redacted)
Ralph Butler wrote:
>
> For those of us who have dreams of installing a T5 in our classic Mustangs,
> the Jan97 issue of Mustang and Fords has a brief write-up of the T5 SWAP.
>
> It says, "The T5 fits early Mustangs, as if Ford planned to install it 32
> years age. Cutting the floorpan or body is not required, and the reaar
> trans mount bolts to existing holes. In addition, the original speedometer
> cable is retained, along with clutch linkage." (good news)
>
> It also says, " One thing to be aware of when buying a used T5 is wether or
> not it's a V-8 or four-cyclinder version. The way to tell is the input
> shaft tip diameter that fits into the piolet bushing, because the diameter
> of the four-cylinder version is 0.590 inch, and the V-8 is larger at 0.664 inch"
>
> It also says that California Pony Cars has a T5 swap kit for early
> bell-housings that includes a trans cross member, mount, yoke, hardware, and
> spacer plate. I recall that Sacramento Mustang also sells T5 swap kits.
>
> A check with a local bone yard - used T5's are $650.
> Questions:
> - is this a good price?
> - when one buys a used T5, what "preventive maintence" should one do, i.e.
> seals, gaskets, oil change, etc.?
> -Is a T5 and a 3.50 rear end combo a good setup for a daily driver with an
> occasional open track event?
>
> Dan Jones may have some expertise in this area????
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Butler
> (email redacted)
> '69 Fastback (H Code)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the info, I have been having problems with my C4 on my 67
with a 351W and I got the vibration down to almost nothing but I believe
it may be in the trans and the 4.11 gears are hard to go on a freeway
trip over 60mph. To sum it up, I would like to solve the vibration
question and I would like a stick on my hot rod any way. I also would
love a little more gear to move into overdrive for cruising. The C4
won't do it for me. I was told the T5 is a good tranny and would like
to know of any articles that can be refered on a step by step for the
small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6 speed. I
would be able to spend under 1K for parts. I have a 69 351W , about
350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
racing.
BTW I just glanced at that article and it seemed to be on the 6 speed,
is it the same for the 5 speed?
I would appreciate any feedback since it is now winter project time and
I can get the parts soon enough for a winter project if the info sounds
good.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Steve Chimera
67 Mustang Sport Sprint coupe
President, Northeastern Ohio Mustang Club
.....a $500 club donor for the Mustang Museum, donate today!
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Mail From: Rick Larson (email redacted)
Steve,
[snip]
> Thanks for the info, I have been having problems with my C4 on my 67
> with a 351W and I got the vibration down to almost nothing but I believe
> it may be in the trans and the 4.11 gears are hard to go on a freeway
> trip over 60mph. To sum it up, I would like to solve the vibration
> question and I would like a stick on my hot rod any way. I also would
> love a little more gear to move into overdrive for cruising. The C4
> won't do it for me. I was told the T5 is a good tranny and would like
> to know of any articles that can be refered on a step by step for the
> small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6 speed. I
> would be able to spend under 1K for parts. I have a 69 351W , about
> 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
> freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
> racing.
You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
*read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
Good luck!
rick
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Minneapolis
Mail From: Rick Larson (email redacted)
Steve,
[snip]
> Thanks for the info, I have been having problems with my C4 on my 67
> with a 351W and I got the vibration down to almost nothing but I believe
> it may be in the trans and the 4.11 gears are hard to go on a freeway
> trip over 60mph. To sum it up, I would like to solve the vibration
> question and I would like a stick on my hot rod any way. I also would
> love a little more gear to move into overdrive for cruising. The C4
> won't do it for me. I was told the T5 is a good tranny and would like
> to know of any articles that can be refered on a step by step for the
> small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6 speed. I
> would be able to spend under 1K for parts. I have a 69 351W , about
> 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
> freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
> racing.
You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
*read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
Good luck!
rick
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Minneapolis
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Mail From: Ed Humes (email redacted)
I think Rick is right...
My new Cobra has a T-45 in it because the T-5 was not strong enough for
the 305HP the DOHC 4.6 dishes out. I have a 400+HP 351W in my 67 and
have a C4 built for 500HP duty. IMO there's no way any Mustangs stock
manual tranny that can handle as much power as the lowly regarded C4,
with the exception of the venerable old toploader of course. But then
you only have 4 speeds and no overdrive...
_________________________________________
Ed Humes
io.com/~edbert
1967 GTA Convertible (PS, PDB, A/C, PT)
1996 Ranger STX 4X4
1997 SVT Cobra (Leather, Mach 460)
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>From: (email redacted)[SMTP
email redacted)]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 9:01 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [CM:561] Re: T5 Transmission
>
>Steve,
>
>[snip]
>> Thanks for the info, I have been having problems with my C4 on my 67
>> with a 351W and I got the vibration down to almost nothing but I believe
>> it may be in the trans and the 4.11 gears are hard to go on a freeway
>> trip over 60mph. To sum it up, I would like to solve the vibration
>> question and I would like a stick on my hot rod any way. I also would
>> love a little more gear to move into overdrive for cruising. The C4
>> won't do it for me. I was told the T5 is a good tranny and would like
>> to know of any articles that can be refered on a step by step for the
>> small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6 speed. I
>> would be able to spend under 1K for parts. I have a 69 351W , about
>> 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
>> freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
>> racing.
>
>You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
>*read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
>5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
>
>Good luck!
>
>rick
>--
>Rick Larson (email redacted)
>Minneapolis
>
Mail From: Ed Humes (email redacted)
I think Rick is right...
My new Cobra has a T-45 in it because the T-5 was not strong enough for
the 305HP the DOHC 4.6 dishes out. I have a 400+HP 351W in my 67 and
have a C4 built for 500HP duty. IMO there's no way any Mustangs stock
manual tranny that can handle as much power as the lowly regarded C4,
with the exception of the venerable old toploader of course. But then
you only have 4 speeds and no overdrive...
_________________________________________
Ed Humes
io.com/~edbert
1967 GTA Convertible (PS, PDB, A/C, PT)
1996 Ranger STX 4X4
1997 SVT Cobra (Leather, Mach 460)
>----------
>From: (email redacted)[SMTP
email redacted)]>Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 9:01 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [CM:561] Re: T5 Transmission
>
>Steve,
>
>[snip]
>> Thanks for the info, I have been having problems with my C4 on my 67
>> with a 351W and I got the vibration down to almost nothing but I believe
>> it may be in the trans and the 4.11 gears are hard to go on a freeway
>> trip over 60mph. To sum it up, I would like to solve the vibration
>> question and I would like a stick on my hot rod any way. I also would
>> love a little more gear to move into overdrive for cruising. The C4
>> won't do it for me. I was told the T5 is a good tranny and would like
>> to know of any articles that can be refered on a step by step for the
>> small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6 speed. I
>> would be able to spend under 1K for parts. I have a 69 351W , about
>> 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
>> freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
>> racing.
>
>You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
>*read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
>5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
>
>Good luck!
>
>rick
>--
>Rick Larson (email redacted)
>Minneapolis
>
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Mail From: John Dettori (email redacted)
On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:00:05, (email redacted) (Rick Larson) wrote:
>
> > [...] having problems with my C4 on my 67 w/351W [...] 4.11 gears are
> > hard to go on a freeway trip over 60mph. [...] The C4 won't do it for me
> > I was told the T5 is a good tranny [...] any articles that can be refered
> > [...] for small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6
> > speed? I would be able to spend under 1K for parts [...] 69 351W, about
> > 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
> > freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
> > racing.
>
> You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
> *read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
> 5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
Ditto! Rick is gently reminding you that 400bhp + T5 = broken T5. The
stat you really want is the torque your motor puts out, and the T5 is
only rated for 305 ft/lbs of torque in *World Class* configuration. You
can *probably* build a T5 to live upto 400 ft/lbs torque & 400 bhp, but my
guess is it would cost more than $1,000. For these types of applications,
the late model solutions are other transmissions like the Tremec 3550, the
Borg Warner T56 or a toploader, etc. An less expensive solution would be a
built C4 or a C6. Just to let you know, I wrecked a T5 to shambles in
a 200bhp SVO (2.3l 4 cyl turbo), and a 190bhp Z28 (5.0l V8). It's not that
strong.
Also, 350-400bhp is hard on rear axles. A '67 8" Ford from a small block V8
is probably strong enough in stock form, but I'd rebuild to be sure. A 9"
would be the ultimate. A late model 8.8" is pretty good too. Stay away
from 7" & 7.25" toy-rears that were in 60's 6 cyl and 80s 4 cyl cars.
5spd - 6 spd is a gimick, IMHO. Most 5 spds are really 4spds w/overdrive
gears. Some trucks have 10-spds, but do you want to shift thru that many
gears? 5 spds should be enough. A 6 spd just means closer spaced ratios.
==============================================================================
John Dettori 86 SVO
VP, Securities Lending Systems 70 Mach I
Bear Stearns & Co., Inc 67 GT Convertible
(email redacted) no parts cars, right?
212 272 6717 <reserved 4 67 GT500>
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Mail From: John Dettori (email redacted)
On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:00:05, (email redacted) (Rick Larson) wrote:
>
> > [...] having problems with my C4 on my 67 w/351W [...] 4.11 gears are
> > hard to go on a freeway trip over 60mph. [...] The C4 won't do it for me
> > I was told the T5 is a good tranny [...] any articles that can be refered
> > [...] for small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6
> > speed? I would be able to spend under 1K for parts [...] 69 351W, about
> > 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
> > freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
> > racing.
>
> You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
> *read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
> 5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
Ditto! Rick is gently reminding you that 400bhp + T5 = broken T5. The
stat you really want is the torque your motor puts out, and the T5 is
only rated for 305 ft/lbs of torque in *World Class* configuration. You
can *probably* build a T5 to live upto 400 ft/lbs torque & 400 bhp, but my
guess is it would cost more than $1,000. For these types of applications,
the late model solutions are other transmissions like the Tremec 3550, the
Borg Warner T56 or a toploader, etc. An less expensive solution would be a
built C4 or a C6. Just to let you know, I wrecked a T5 to shambles in
a 200bhp SVO (2.3l 4 cyl turbo), and a 190bhp Z28 (5.0l V8). It's not that
strong.
Also, 350-400bhp is hard on rear axles. A '67 8" Ford from a small block V8
is probably strong enough in stock form, but I'd rebuild to be sure. A 9"
would be the ultimate. A late model 8.8" is pretty good too. Stay away
from 7" & 7.25" toy-rears that were in 60's 6 cyl and 80s 4 cyl cars.
5spd - 6 spd is a gimick, IMHO. Most 5 spds are really 4spds w/overdrive
gears. Some trucks have 10-spds, but do you want to shift thru that many
gears? 5 spds should be enough. A 6 spd just means closer spaced ratios.
==============================================================================
John Dettori 86 SVO
VP, Securities Lending Systems 70 Mach I
Bear Stearns & Co., Inc 67 GT Convertible
(email redacted) no parts cars, right?
212 272 6717 <reserved 4 67 GT500>
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Mail From: Christopher Russell (email redacted)
FYI... Somebody was selling a used T5 install kit on the
fordnatics list ( (email redacted) ). I have
deleted the original posting, but for $200 bucks got
most of the stuff needed for T5-swap sans the tranny.
...but the word is that the T5's are wimpy, although it
seems if you have enuf dough (i.e. more that 1K) you can
buy a beefier version of the T5 (forndatics would be a
good place for more info on that too).
...This is why I stick with my trusty toploader, even
though I would love to have the OD gear... For now
I'll trade the gas & RPM for durability..
...I'd suggest staying with a C4, especially if your
goal is drag racing (not that I know that much about
drag racing)...
...Chris
> > won't do it for me. I was told the T5 is a good tranny and would like
> > to know of any articles that can be refered on a step by step for the
> > small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6 speed. I
> > would be able to spend under 1K for parts. I have a 69 351W , about
> > 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
> > freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
> > racing.
>
> You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
> *read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
> 5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
--
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email: (email redacted) or (email redacted)
Work: (408)437-5185, Home: (408)296-7582
Mail From: Christopher Russell (email redacted)
FYI... Somebody was selling a used T5 install kit on the
fordnatics list ( (email redacted) ). I have
deleted the original posting, but for $200 bucks got
most of the stuff needed for T5-swap sans the tranny.
...but the word is that the T5's are wimpy, although it
seems if you have enuf dough (i.e. more that 1K) you can
buy a beefier version of the T5 (forndatics would be a
good place for more info on that too).
...This is why I stick with my trusty toploader, even
though I would love to have the OD gear... For now
I'll trade the gas & RPM for durability..
...I'd suggest staying with a C4, especially if your
goal is drag racing (not that I know that much about
drag racing)...
...Chris
> > won't do it for me. I was told the T5 is a good tranny and would like
> > to know of any articles that can be refered on a step by step for the
> > small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6 speed. I
> > would be able to spend under 1K for parts. I have a 69 351W , about
> > 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
> > freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
> > racing.
>
> You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
> *read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
> 5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
--
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Mail From: Michael J. Kupec (email redacted)
Didn't the early (1979-70) Mustangs with the 302 and four-speed us a
modified Top-Loader with 4th geared as an overdrive? I remember driving a
friends once and was told the transmission was the same as the T\L in my
65, except the 4th was overdriven, 3rd was 1:1, 2nd...etc) If so this could
be a better alternative to the T5.
Michael
" I live with constant fear and danger every day. . .
And sometimes she lets me go four-wheeling! "
"Get in, Sit down, Shut up, and Hold on!"
Michael J. Kupec ((email redacted))
Management & Data Systems, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Reston, Virginia, USA (703) 680-6903
1964 1/2 260 Convertible w/PS, PB, & Power Top
1965 289 HP "K" Coupe w/PS, PB, & Pony Int. (Early '65, not a GT)
1970 Bronco 351M (yes a "M" as in big Mother!)
Mail From: Michael J. Kupec (email redacted)
Didn't the early (1979-70) Mustangs with the 302 and four-speed us a
modified Top-Loader with 4th geared as an overdrive? I remember driving a
friends once and was told the transmission was the same as the T\L in my
65, except the 4th was overdriven, 3rd was 1:1, 2nd...etc) If so this could
be a better alternative to the T5.
Michael
" I live with constant fear and danger every day. . .
And sometimes she lets me go four-wheeling! "
"Get in, Sit down, Shut up, and Hold on!"
Michael J. Kupec ((email redacted))
Management & Data Systems, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Reston, Virginia, USA (703) 680-6903
1964 1/2 260 Convertible w/PS, PB, & Power Top
1965 289 HP "K" Coupe w/PS, PB, & Pony Int. (Early '65, not a GT)
1970 Bronco 351M (yes a "M" as in big Mother!)
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Mail From: John Rusinko (email redacted)
Michael J. Kupec wrote:
>
> Didn't the early (1979-70) Mustangs with the 302 and four-speed us a
> modified Top-Loader with 4th geared as an overdrive? I remember driving a
> friends once and was told the transmission was the same as the T\L in my
> 65, except the 4th was overdriven, 3rd was 1:1, 2nd...etc) If so this could
> be a better alternative to the T5.
>
> Michael
>
I think that also came in some Granadas(sp?)
I 'll do some checking but I think you can swap some parts in tomake it
an overdrive T/L
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Michael J. Kupec wrote:
>
> Didn't the early (1979-70) Mustangs with the 302 and four-speed us a
> modified Top-Loader with 4th geared as an overdrive? I remember driving a
> friends once and was told the transmission was the same as the T\L in my
> 65, except the 4th was overdriven, 3rd was 1:1, 2nd...etc) If so this could
> be a better alternative to the T5.
>
> Michael
>
I think that also came in some Granadas(sp?)
I 'll do some checking but I think you can swap some parts in tomake it
an overdrive T/L
John
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Mail From: Terrill Yuhas (email redacted)
> Didn't the early (1979-70) Mustangs with the 302 and four-speed us a
> modified Top-Loader with 4th geared as an overdrive? I remember driving a
> friends once and was told the transmission was the same as the T\L in my
> 65, except the 4th was overdriven, 3rd was 1:1, 2nd...etc) If so this could
> be a better alternative to the T5.
I remember someone a bit back looking for one of those SROD trannies to
swap his T\L internals into since the SROD uses an aluminum case.
Looking for the best of both worlds I guess: bulletproof internals wrapped
up in a neat, light casing.
I think the SROD showed up with the Granadas/Monarchs and then moved on to
the Fox-family until they brought on the T5.
Terrill
Mail From: Terrill Yuhas (email redacted)
> Didn't the early (1979-70) Mustangs with the 302 and four-speed us a
> modified Top-Loader with 4th geared as an overdrive? I remember driving a
> friends once and was told the transmission was the same as the T\L in my
> 65, except the 4th was overdriven, 3rd was 1:1, 2nd...etc) If so this could
> be a better alternative to the T5.
I remember someone a bit back looking for one of those SROD trannies to
swap his T\L internals into since the SROD uses an aluminum case.
Looking for the best of both worlds I guess: bulletproof internals wrapped
up in a neat, light casing.
I think the SROD showed up with the Granadas/Monarchs and then moved on to
the Fox-family until they brought on the T5.
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Mail From: Rick Larson (email redacted)
John Rusinko wrote:
> Michael J. Kupec wrote:
> >
> > Didn't the early (1979-70) Mustangs with the 302 and four-speed us a
> > modified Top-Loader with 4th geared as an overdrive? I remember driving a
> > friends once and was told the transmission was the same as the T\L in my
> > 65, except the 4th was overdriven, 3rd was 1:1, 2nd...etc) If so this could
> > be a better alternative to the T5.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> I think that also came in some Granadas(sp?)
Well, from my reading, you are both right. The early Fox3 Mustangs (79,
82,83) contained an SROD aluminum case and the Granadas (77-78 V8)
were cast iron.
Dan Jones posted the following table back in May:
WR CR SROD SROD BW BW RG RG RG BW
TL TL cast alum T10L T10M 4+1 ROD ROD T56
1st 2.78 2.32 3.29 3.07 2.36 2.36 3.27 3.27 3.01 2.97
2nd 1.93 1.69 1.84 1.72 1.76 1.62 2.13 2.13 1.88 1.94
3rd 1.36 1.29 1.00 1.00 1.41 1.20 1.57 1.57 1.46 1.35
4th 1.00 1.00 0.81 0.70 1.00 1.00 1.23 1.23 1.19 1.00
5th ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1.00 1.00 1.00 0.82
6th ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.76 0.62 0.62
So, the 4-speed SROD does have an overdrive. I'm not sure how easy
they are to find. I think Brian Kelly on the fordnatics list stuffed
top loader guts into an aluminum SROD case (to save weight) so parts
might be interchangeable.
Dan replaced his C4 with a Tremec TKO 5 speed in his 351C powered '66 fastback.
I don't know it is holding up but at a price around $3k for the parts,
it is not for everyone. I *know* Dan doesn't drag race his Mustang.
David Stribling posted some info back in July regarding the Granada top
loader. He said this tranny was only available in '77 in "Granadas with
200 and 250 six cylinder engines and the 302 V8. The Ford part number
on this assembly is D7DR 7003-AA. Since it is a Ford built
transmission, the tag on the side will denote RUG-BP."
David goes on to say
" This is the only year this transmission was used, and the Granada
was the only one to receive it (Mustangs got the Borg Warner built RAD
transmission, Pintos got the German made 4-speed). There are no other
listings for the Toploader that I found. So, if you find a 1977 Granada
with a four speed, you got the overdrive. Manual transmission Granadas
are fairly rare, I would think (The Granada ESS was available with the
four speed, if I remember. Some of the ESS cars came with the 9 inch
rear axle with discs, the same as the Versailles).
Fitting this transmission may be a chore, as output shaft
housings changed, etc. If you want to find out if you can add an
overdrive gear to your existing toploader, try Rockland Standard Gear in
Spring Valley, NY (914) 425-7557. They have mounds of stuff for manual
transmissions, and should be able to tell you if it can be done. I'd also
check your local tranny place and see if they list the gear, and will it
fit on the shaft in your existing transmission."
I hope this helps.
rick
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Mail From: Rick Larson (email redacted)
John Rusinko wrote:
> Michael J. Kupec wrote:
> >
> > Didn't the early (1979-70) Mustangs with the 302 and four-speed us a
> > modified Top-Loader with 4th geared as an overdrive? I remember driving a
> > friends once and was told the transmission was the same as the T\L in my
> > 65, except the 4th was overdriven, 3rd was 1:1, 2nd...etc) If so this could
> > be a better alternative to the T5.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> I think that also came in some Granadas(sp?)
Well, from my reading, you are both right. The early Fox3 Mustangs (79,
82,83) contained an SROD aluminum case and the Granadas (77-78 V8)
were cast iron.
Dan Jones posted the following table back in May:
WR CR SROD SROD BW BW RG RG RG BW
TL TL cast alum T10L T10M 4+1 ROD ROD T56
1st 2.78 2.32 3.29 3.07 2.36 2.36 3.27 3.27 3.01 2.97
2nd 1.93 1.69 1.84 1.72 1.76 1.62 2.13 2.13 1.88 1.94
3rd 1.36 1.29 1.00 1.00 1.41 1.20 1.57 1.57 1.46 1.35
4th 1.00 1.00 0.81 0.70 1.00 1.00 1.23 1.23 1.19 1.00
5th ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1.00 1.00 1.00 0.82
6th ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.76 0.62 0.62
So, the 4-speed SROD does have an overdrive. I'm not sure how easy
they are to find. I think Brian Kelly on the fordnatics list stuffed
top loader guts into an aluminum SROD case (to save weight) so parts
might be interchangeable.
Dan replaced his C4 with a Tremec TKO 5 speed in his 351C powered '66 fastback.
I don't know it is holding up but at a price around $3k for the parts,
it is not for everyone. I *know* Dan doesn't drag race his Mustang.
David Stribling posted some info back in July regarding the Granada top
loader. He said this tranny was only available in '77 in "Granadas with
200 and 250 six cylinder engines and the 302 V8. The Ford part number
on this assembly is D7DR 7003-AA. Since it is a Ford built
transmission, the tag on the side will denote RUG-BP."
David goes on to say
" This is the only year this transmission was used, and the Granada
was the only one to receive it (Mustangs got the Borg Warner built RAD
transmission, Pintos got the German made 4-speed). There are no other
listings for the Toploader that I found. So, if you find a 1977 Granada
with a four speed, you got the overdrive. Manual transmission Granadas
are fairly rare, I would think (The Granada ESS was available with the
four speed, if I remember. Some of the ESS cars came with the 9 inch
rear axle with discs, the same as the Versailles).
Fitting this transmission may be a chore, as output shaft
housings changed, etc. If you want to find out if you can add an
overdrive gear to your existing toploader, try Rockland Standard Gear in
Spring Valley, NY (914) 425-7557. They have mounds of stuff for manual
transmissions, and should be able to tell you if it can be done. I'd also
check your local tranny place and see if they list the gear, and will it
fit on the shaft in your existing transmission."
I hope this helps.
rick
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Mail From: Lionel Gibbons (email redacted)
A little off subject, I know. But what are the distinguishing
characteristics of the Borg Warner T56? I think I might have one in my car,
but don't know how to recognize one.
Lionel
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> guess is it would cost more than $1,000. For these types of
applications,
> the late model solutions are other transmissions like the Tremec 3550,
the
> Borg Warner T56 or a toploader, etc.
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Mail From: Lionel Gibbons (email redacted)
A little off subject, I know. But what are the distinguishing
characteristics of the Borg Warner T56? I think I might have one in my car,
but don't know how to recognize one.
Lionel
66 GT FB (K Code)
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*** SNIP ***
> guess is it would cost more than $1,000. For these types of
applications,
> the late model solutions are other transmissions like the Tremec 3550,
the
> Borg Warner T56 or a toploader, etc.
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Mail From: Eric F. Riggert (email redacted)
Lionel,
> A little off subject, I know. But what are the distinguishing
> characteristics of the Borg Warner T56? I think I might have one in my car,
> but don't know how to recognize one.
The T56 is HUGE, and has 6 forward speeds. Two of which are overdrives.
If you have 6 speeds (unlikely), then you most likely have a T56.
If you have 5 forward speeds (one of which is an overdrive), then you
probably have the relatively common late model Mustang's T5.
Inexpensive, easy to get parts for. Desirable swap these days - but
beware that it won't stand up to full-throttle clutch dumps and other
abuse behind ANY 302 (or 289), much less a K-code.
If you only have 4 forward speeds, then you either have (most common for
cars with their original trannies...) a Toploader (iron case,
unbreakable, wierd 1st/2nd ratios for smallblocks), a T10 (aluminum
case, used in Shelbys?), or a mid-80's SROD.
The SROD would only be the result of a swap from a Mustang II or
Granada/Monarch. It is an internal linkage (as you described before),
aluminum cased toploader. The 4th gear is an overdrive. The only bad
thing I've heard about this tranny is that it is a 4 speed overdrive
(only 3 'regular' gear ratios), which isn't much fun from a performance
standpoint.
Regards,
Eric Riggert, '66 Mustang GT, '88 LX 5.0, '94 Cobra, SCOASCC, SMA
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Mail From: Eric F. Riggert (email redacted)
Lionel,
> A little off subject, I know. But what are the distinguishing
> characteristics of the Borg Warner T56? I think I might have one in my car,
> but don't know how to recognize one.
The T56 is HUGE, and has 6 forward speeds. Two of which are overdrives.
If you have 6 speeds (unlikely), then you most likely have a T56.
If you have 5 forward speeds (one of which is an overdrive), then you
probably have the relatively common late model Mustang's T5.
Inexpensive, easy to get parts for. Desirable swap these days - but
beware that it won't stand up to full-throttle clutch dumps and other
abuse behind ANY 302 (or 289), much less a K-code.
If you only have 4 forward speeds, then you either have (most common for
cars with their original trannies...) a Toploader (iron case,
unbreakable, wierd 1st/2nd ratios for smallblocks), a T10 (aluminum
case, used in Shelbys?), or a mid-80's SROD.
The SROD would only be the result of a swap from a Mustang II or
Granada/Monarch. It is an internal linkage (as you described before),
aluminum cased toploader. The 4th gear is an overdrive. The only bad
thing I've heard about this tranny is that it is a 4 speed overdrive
(only 3 'regular' gear ratios), which isn't much fun from a performance
standpoint.
Regards,
Eric Riggert, '66 Mustang GT, '88 LX 5.0, '94 Cobra, SCOASCC, SMA
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Mail From: Ed Humes (email redacted)
Another thought on OD manuals...
I've read that the Richmond 6-speeds are stong enough for <500 HP/ft lbs
and can be bolted to early or late bellhousings. You will need to
manufacture a tranny mount and maybe move the shifter depending on the
year of your car.
John is right about the ratios, a 6-speed is only a close ratio five
with an overdrive gear. Personally I would appreciate the overdrive
since I geared my car to be at or near redline at the end of the 1/4
mile. This makes cruising at 70 a noisy affair. Just my $0.03...
_________________________________________
Ed Humes
io.com/~edbert
1967 GTA Convertible (PS, PDB, A/C, PT)
1996 Ranger STX 4X4
1997 SVT Cobra (Leather, Mach 460)
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>Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 2:10 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [CM:577] Re: T5 Transmission
>
>On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:00:05, (email redacted) (Rick Larson) wrote:
>>
>> > [...] having problems with my C4 on my 67 w/351W [...] 4.11 gears are
>> > hard to go on a freeway trip over 60mph. [...] The C4 won't do it for me
>> > I was told the T5 is a good tranny [...] any articles that can be refered
>> > [...] for small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6
>> > speed? I would be able to spend under 1K for parts [...] 69 351W, about
>> > 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
>> > freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
>> > racing.
>>
>> You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
>> *read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
>> 5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
>
>Ditto! Rick is gently reminding you that 400bhp + T5 = broken T5. The
>stat you really want is the torque your motor puts out, and the T5 is
>only rated for 305 ft/lbs of torque in *World Class* configuration. You
>can *probably* build a T5 to live upto 400 ft/lbs torque & 400 bhp, but my
>guess is it would cost more than $1,000. For these types of applications,
>the late model solutions are other transmissions like the Tremec 3550, the
>Borg Warner T56 or a toploader, etc. An less expensive solution would be a
>built C4 or a C6. Just to let you know, I wrecked a T5 to shambles in
>a 200bhp SVO (2.3l 4 cyl turbo), and a 190bhp Z28 (5.0l V8). It's not that
>strong.
>
>Also, 350-400bhp is hard on rear axles. A '67 8" Ford from a small block V8
>is probably strong enough in stock form, but I'd rebuild to be sure. A 9"
>would be the ultimate. A late model 8.8" is pretty good too. Stay away
>from 7" & 7.25" toy-rears that were in 60's 6 cyl and 80s 4 cyl cars.
>
>5spd - 6 spd is a gimick, IMHO. Most 5 spds are really 4spds w/overdrive
>gears. Some trucks have 10-spds, but do you want to shift thru that many
>gears? 5 spds should be enough. A 6 spd just means closer spaced ratios.
>
>=============================================================================
>=
> John Dettori 86 SVO
> VP, Securities Lending Systems 70 Mach I
> Bear Stearns & Co., Inc 67 GT Convertible
> (email redacted) no parts cars, right?
> 212 272 6717 <reserved 4 67 GT500>
>
>
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Mail From: Ed Humes (email redacted)
Another thought on OD manuals...
I've read that the Richmond 6-speeds are stong enough for <500 HP/ft lbs
and can be bolted to early or late bellhousings. You will need to
manufacture a tranny mount and maybe move the shifter depending on the
year of your car.
John is right about the ratios, a 6-speed is only a close ratio five
with an overdrive gear. Personally I would appreciate the overdrive
since I geared my car to be at or near redline at the end of the 1/4
mile. This makes cruising at 70 a noisy affair. Just my $0.03...
_________________________________________
Ed Humes
io.com/~edbert
1967 GTA Convertible (PS, PDB, A/C, PT)
1996 Ranger STX 4X4
1997 SVT Cobra (Leather, Mach 460)
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>From: (email redacted)[SMTP
email redacted)]>Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 2:10 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [CM:577] Re: T5 Transmission
>
>On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:00:05, (email redacted) (Rick Larson) wrote:
>>
>> > [...] having problems with my C4 on my 67 w/351W [...] 4.11 gears are
>> > hard to go on a freeway trip over 60mph. [...] The C4 won't do it for me
>> > I was told the T5 is a good tranny [...] any articles that can be refered
>> > [...] for small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6
>> > speed? I would be able to spend under 1K for parts [...] 69 351W, about
>> > 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
>> > freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
>> > racing.
>>
>> You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
>> *read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
>> 5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
>
>Ditto! Rick is gently reminding you that 400bhp + T5 = broken T5. The
>stat you really want is the torque your motor puts out, and the T5 is
>only rated for 305 ft/lbs of torque in *World Class* configuration. You
>can *probably* build a T5 to live upto 400 ft/lbs torque & 400 bhp, but my
>guess is it would cost more than $1,000. For these types of applications,
>the late model solutions are other transmissions like the Tremec 3550, the
>Borg Warner T56 or a toploader, etc. An less expensive solution would be a
>built C4 or a C6. Just to let you know, I wrecked a T5 to shambles in
>a 200bhp SVO (2.3l 4 cyl turbo), and a 190bhp Z28 (5.0l V8). It's not that
>strong.
>
>Also, 350-400bhp is hard on rear axles. A '67 8" Ford from a small block V8
>is probably strong enough in stock form, but I'd rebuild to be sure. A 9"
>would be the ultimate. A late model 8.8" is pretty good too. Stay away
>from 7" & 7.25" toy-rears that were in 60's 6 cyl and 80s 4 cyl cars.
>
>5spd - 6 spd is a gimick, IMHO. Most 5 spds are really 4spds w/overdrive
>gears. Some trucks have 10-spds, but do you want to shift thru that many
>gears? 5 spds should be enough. A 6 spd just means closer spaced ratios.
>
>=============================================================================
>=
> John Dettori 86 SVO
> VP, Securities Lending Systems 70 Mach I
> Bear Stearns & Co., Inc 67 GT Convertible
> (email redacted) no parts cars, right?
> 212 272 6717 <reserved 4 67 GT500>
>
>
>
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Mail From: Sammy (email redacted)
Look in the newest Mustang and Fords.
-srw
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Ed Humes wrote:
> Another thought on OD manuals...
>
> I've read that the Richmond 6-speeds are stong enough for <500 HP/ft lbs
> and can be bolted to early or late bellhousings. You will need to
> manufacture a tranny mount and maybe move the shifter depending on the
> year of your car.
>
> John is right about the ratios, a 6-speed is only a close ratio five
> with an overdrive gear. Personally I would appreciate the overdrive
> since I geared my car to be at or near redline at the end of the 1/4
> mile. This makes cruising at 70 a noisy affair. Just my $0.03...
> _________________________________________
> Ed Humes
> io.com/~edbert
> 1967 GTA Convertible (PS, PDB, A/C, PT)
> 1996 Ranger STX 4X4
> 1997 SVT Cobra (Leather, Mach 460)
>
>
> >----------
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> >Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 1996 2:10 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list
> >Subject: [CM:577] Re: T5 Transmission
> >
> >On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:00:05, (email redacted) (Rick Larson) wrote:
> >>
> >> > [...] having problems with my C4 on my 67 w/351W [...] 4.11 gears are
> >> > hard to go on a freeway trip over 60mph. [...] The C4 won't do it for me
> >> > I was told the T5 is a good tranny [...] any articles that can be refered
> >> > [...] for small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6
> >> > speed? I would be able to spend under 1K for parts [...] 69 351W, about
> >> > 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
> >> > freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
> >> > racing.
> >>
> >> You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
> >> *read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
> >> 5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
> >
> >Ditto! Rick is gently reminding you that 400bhp + T5 = broken T5. The
> >stat you really want is the torque your motor puts out, and the T5 is
> >only rated for 305 ft/lbs of torque in *World Class* configuration. You
> >can *probably* build a T5 to live upto 400 ft/lbs torque & 400 bhp, but my
> >guess is it would cost more than $1,000. For these types of applications,
> >the late model solutions are other transmissions like the Tremec 3550, the
> >Borg Warner T56 or a toploader, etc. An less expensive solution would be a
> >built C4 or a C6. Just to let you know, I wrecked a T5 to shambles in
> >a 200bhp SVO (2.3l 4 cyl turbo), and a 190bhp Z28 (5.0l V8). It's not that
> >strong.
> >
> >Also, 350-400bhp is hard on rear axles. A '67 8" Ford from a small block V8
> >is probably strong enough in stock form, but I'd rebuild to be sure. A 9"
> >would be the ultimate. A late model 8.8" is pretty good too. Stay away
> >from 7" & 7.25" toy-rears that were in 60's 6 cyl and 80s 4 cyl cars.
> >
> >5spd - 6 spd is a gimick, IMHO. Most 5 spds are really 4spds w/overdrive
> >gears. Some trucks have 10-spds, but do you want to shift thru that many
> >gears? 5 spds should be enough. A 6 spd just means closer spaced ratios.
> >
> >=============================================================================
> >=
> > John Dettori 86 SVO
> > VP, Securities Lending Systems 70 Mach I
> > Bear Stearns & Co., Inc 67 GT Convertible
> > (email redacted) no parts cars, right?
> > 212 272 6717 <reserved 4 67 GT500>
> >
> >
> >
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> >or
> >agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or
> >account
> >activity contained in this communication.
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Look in the newest Mustang and Fords.
-srw
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Ed Humes wrote:
> Another thought on OD manuals...
>
> I've read that the Richmond 6-speeds are stong enough for <500 HP/ft lbs
> and can be bolted to early or late bellhousings. You will need to
> manufacture a tranny mount and maybe move the shifter depending on the
> year of your car.
>
> John is right about the ratios, a 6-speed is only a close ratio five
> with an overdrive gear. Personally I would appreciate the overdrive
> since I geared my car to be at or near redline at the end of the 1/4
> mile. This makes cruising at 70 a noisy affair. Just my $0.03...
> _________________________________________
> Ed Humes
> io.com/~edbert
> 1967 GTA Convertible (PS, PDB, A/C, PT)
> 1996 Ranger STX 4X4
> 1997 SVT Cobra (Leather, Mach 460)
>
>
> >----------
> >From: (email redacted)[SMTP
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> >To: Multiple recipients of list
> >Subject: [CM:577] Re: T5 Transmission
> >
> >On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:00:05, (email redacted) (Rick Larson) wrote:
> >>
> >> > [...] having problems with my C4 on my 67 w/351W [...] 4.11 gears are
> >> > hard to go on a freeway trip over 60mph. [...] The C4 won't do it for me
> >> > I was told the T5 is a good tranny [...] any articles that can be refered
> >> > [...] for small block conversion. Would a 5 speed be better than a 6
> >> > speed? I would be able to spend under 1K for parts [...] 69 351W, about
> >> > 350-400 hp in my 67 coupe. It can turn 13's but is horrible for the
> >> > freeway. I am more interested in street-strip performance than road
> >> > racing.
> >>
> >> You may want to dig into this more before spending the $$$. I've
> >> *read* that the T5 is not a strong tranny and will break behind mild
> >> 5.0L Mustangs. I don't think it will last behind a 350-400hp 351W.
> >
> >Ditto! Rick is gently reminding you that 400bhp + T5 = broken T5. The
> >stat you really want is the torque your motor puts out, and the T5 is
> >only rated for 305 ft/lbs of torque in *World Class* configuration. You
> >can *probably* build a T5 to live upto 400 ft/lbs torque & 400 bhp, but my
> >guess is it would cost more than $1,000. For these types of applications,
> >the late model solutions are other transmissions like the Tremec 3550, the
> >Borg Warner T56 or a toploader, etc. An less expensive solution would be a
> >built C4 or a C6. Just to let you know, I wrecked a T5 to shambles in
> >a 200bhp SVO (2.3l 4 cyl turbo), and a 190bhp Z28 (5.0l V8). It's not that
> >strong.
> >
> >Also, 350-400bhp is hard on rear axles. A '67 8" Ford from a small block V8
> >is probably strong enough in stock form, but I'd rebuild to be sure. A 9"
> >would be the ultimate. A late model 8.8" is pretty good too. Stay away
> >from 7" & 7.25" toy-rears that were in 60's 6 cyl and 80s 4 cyl cars.
> >
> >5spd - 6 spd is a gimick, IMHO. Most 5 spds are really 4spds w/overdrive
> >gears. Some trucks have 10-spds, but do you want to shift thru that many
> >gears? 5 spds should be enough. A 6 spd just means closer spaced ratios.
> >
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