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Mail From: mahilly (Mike H)

I finally got my Grant wood grain wheel installed. There is now a 1/4"+ gap
between the lip of the column and wheel collar. The grant instructions say
that I can just loosen the column mounting bolts under the dash and slide
the column sleeve up to close the gap. I tried this but couldn't get
the sleeve to move. I don't see any other attachments holding the column.
Is there something I am missing here? I can't find anything in the 67 shop
manual about this either. Any help?

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From: Mike H <mahilly at gmail.com>
Date: Jan 3, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [CM] Horns
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs <
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> "Oh and PS (mainly for Lance, but others have the problem too, I'm
> sure) my Grant classic nostalgia (foam grip) has the crapiest horn
> contact setup I've ever seen. The instructions that came with the
> mounting kit explicitly say ``Don't use the horn spring on the
> Mustang, use the little foam pads''. Well, I did and after about 6
> months they wore down to the point that turning the wheel or pressing
> my knee against it slightly on the bottom caused the horn to sound.
> Anyone else seen/experienced this or did I not do something right?"


I got the Grant wood grain for x-mas. Haven't installed it yet but after
reading this post I am now examining the Grant mounting kit that came
with the wheel (from Mustangs Unlimited). It includes a spring that is
approx 3/4" diameter and 1" long. No foam pads are included nor are they
mentioned in the instructions. The MU label on the box says it's for a
65-67. The insert in the box says it's for a 68-69. My mustang is a 67.
So did Santa bring me the right mounting kit?

Also, the instructions say that most Fords have a nub on the end of the
shaft that will need to be hacked off. Is this true for Mustangs?
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Mail From: walt (Walt Boeninger)

If you have a rag joint, as opposed to the solid (long)
shaft, then you cannot slide the sleeve. It's held in
place by the upper bearing/turn signal switch...

...I think ..... I know I have never been able to move mine.

Walt


Mike H wrote:
> I finally got my Grant wood grain wheel installed. There is now
> a 1/4"+ gap between the lip of the column and wheel collar. The grant
> instructions say that I can just loosen the column mounting bolts under
> the dash and slide the column sleeve up to close the gap. I tried this
> but couldn't get the sleeve to move. I don't see any other attachments
> holding the column. Is there something I am missing here? I can't find
> anything in the 67 shop manual about this either. Any help?
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Mike H* <mahilly at gmail.com <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>>
> Date: Jan 3, 2007 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [CM] Horns
> To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> <classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
> <mailto:classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca>>
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Mail From: mahilly (Mike H)

How do I identify which one I have (other than not being able to move the
sleeve)?

On 1/25/07, Walt Boeninger <walt at boeninger.net> wrote:
>
> If you have a rag joint, as opposed to the solid (long)
> shaft, then you cannot slide the sleeve. It's held in
> place by the upper bearing/turn signal switch...
>
> ...I think ..... I know I have never been able to move mine.
>
> Walt
>
>
> Mike H wrote:
> > I finally got my Grant wood grain wheel installed. There is now
> > a 1/4"+ gap between the lip of the column and wheel collar. The grant
> > instructions say that I can just loosen the column mounting bolts under
> > the dash and slide the column sleeve up to close the gap. I tried this
> > but couldn't get the sleeve to move. I don't see any other attachments
> > holding the column. Is there something I am missing here? I can't find
> > anything in the 67 shop manual about this either. Any help?
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: *Mike H* <mahilly at gmail.com <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>>
> > Date: Jan 3, 2007 9:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CM] Horns
> > To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> > <classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > <mailto:classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca>>
> >
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Mail From: walt (Walt Boeninger)

...uh, if you have a rag joint..... the coupling right
above the steering box is the rag joint. The long shaft
has no joint, it just goes straight into the box. 64-66
and early 67s have no rag joint (supposedly) my Dec 66
built Shelby has a rag joint. Most 67s do

Mike H wrote:
> How do I identify which one I have (other than not being able to move
> the sleeve)?
>
> On 1/25/07, *Walt Boeninger* <walt at boeninger.net
> <mailto:walt at boeninger.net>> wrote:
>
> If you have a rag joint, as opposed to the solid (long)
> shaft, then you cannot slide the sleeve. It's held in
> place by the upper bearing/turn signal switch...
>
> ...I think ..... I know I have never been able to move mine.
>
> Walt
>
>
> Mike H wrote:
> > I finally got my Grant wood grain wheel installed. There is now
> > a 1/4"+ gap between the lip of the column and wheel collar. The
> grant
> > instructions say that I can just loosen the column mounting bolts
> under
> > the dash and slide the column sleeve up to close the gap. I
> tried this
> > but couldn't get the sleeve to move. I don't see any other
> attachments
> > holding the column. Is there something I am missing here? I
> can't find
> > anything in the 67 shop manual about this either. Any help?
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: *Mike H* <mahilly at gmail.com <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>
> <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>>>
> > Date: Jan 3, 2007 9:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CM] Horns
> > To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> > <classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
> <mailto:classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca>
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Mail From: mahilly (Mike H)

Got it. So mine has no rag joint, I think. The sleeve goes all the way
down and stops just short of the steering box. The shaft continues out of
the sleeve and into the steering box. About 1/2" of the shaft is visible.
Plus, mine is a late 67 production. So I should be able to move
the sleeve, right? Any suggestions how to get it to move? Are there any
other screws to loosen (besides to two under the dash) that I am not
seeing? It's probably just frozen from 40 years of no movement. I just
don't want to start banging on the thing and break or scratch something
(which is what what usually happens). Thanks.

On 1/26/07, Walt Boeninger <walt at boeninger.net> wrote:
>
> ...uh, if you have a rag joint..... the coupling right
> above the steering box is the rag joint. The long shaft
> has no joint, it just goes straight into the box. 64-66
> and early 67s have no rag joint (supposedly) my Dec 66
> built Shelby has a rag joint. Most 67s do
>
> Mike H wrote:
> > How do I identify which one I have (other than not being able to move
> > the sleeve)?
> >
> > On 1/25/07, *Walt Boeninger* <walt at boeninger.net
> > <mailto:walt at boeninger.net>> wrote:
> >
> > If you have a rag joint, as opposed to the solid (long)
> > shaft, then you cannot slide the sleeve. It's held in
> > place by the upper bearing/turn signal switch...
> >
> > ...I think ..... I know I have never been able to move mine.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> >
> > Mike H wrote:
> > > I finally got my Grant wood grain wheel installed. There is now
> > > a 1/4"+ gap between the lip of the column and wheel collar. The
> > grant
> > > instructions say that I can just loosen the column mounting bolts
> > under
> > > the dash and slide the column sleeve up to close the gap. I
> > tried this
> > > but couldn't get the sleeve to move. I don't see any other
> > attachments
> > > holding the column. Is there something I am missing here? I
> > can't find
> > > anything in the 67 shop manual about this either. Any help?
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: *Mike H* <mahilly at gmail.com <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>>>
> > > Date: Jan 3, 2007 9:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CM] Horns
> > > To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> > > <classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > <mailto:classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > > <mailto: classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
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Mail From: walt (Walt Boeninger)

Hmmm ... late 67 ..... you might loosen and lift the turn signal switch
and see if the top bearing is free to slide up the shaft. It seems to
me on mine the top bearing is located on the shaft, and sits
"in" the housing, so they cannot be moved independently ... it's
been a while..... but with a long shaft it's different.

I still don't understand why your late 67 has a long shaft, when
my early 67 has rag joint, and all 65/66s had long shafts. I also
have a June built 67 coupe, but it's not quite stock.... well, it
is stock for a 67 Shelby Trans Am, but it's been totally restored
and who knows ..... actually, the steering box is probably original
and it is a short shaft/ragjoint type...

Walt


Mike H wrote:
> Got it. So mine has no rag joint, I think. The sleeve goes all the way
> down and stops just short of the steering box. The shaft continues out
> of the sleeve and into the steering box. About 1/2" of the shaft is
> visible. Plus, mine is a late 67 production. So I should be able to
> move the sleeve, right? Any suggestions how to get it to move? Are
> there any other screws to loosen (besides to two under the dash) that I
> am not seeing? It's probably just frozen from 40 years of no movement.
> I just don't want to start banging on the thing and break or scratch
> something (which is what what usually happens). Thanks.
>
> On 1/26/07, *Walt Boeninger* <walt at boeninger.net
> <mailto:walt at boeninger.net>> wrote:
>
> ...uh, if you have a rag joint..... the coupling right
> above the steering box is the rag joint. The long shaft
> has no joint, it just goes straight into the box. 64-66
> and early 67s have no rag joint (supposedly) my Dec 66
> built Shelby has a rag joint. Most 67s do
>
> Mike H wrote:
> > How do I identify which one I have (other than not being able to
> move
> > the sleeve)?
> >
> > On 1/25/07, *Walt Boeninger* <walt at boeninger.net
> <mailto:walt at boeninger.net>
> > <mailto:walt at boeninger.net <mailto:walt at boeninger.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > If you have a rag joint, as opposed to the solid (long)
> > shaft, then you cannot slide the sleeve. It's held in
> > place by the upper bearing/turn signal switch...
> >
> > ...I think ..... I know I have never been able to move mine.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> >
> > Mike H wrote:
> > > I finally got my Grant wood grain wheel installed. There
> is now
> > > a 1/4"+ gap between the lip of the column and wheel
> collar. The
> > grant
> > > instructions say that I can just loosen the column
> mounting bolts
> > under
> > > the dash and slide the column sleeve up to close the gap. I
> > tried this
> > > but couldn't get the sleeve to move. I don't see any other
> > attachments
> > > holding the column. Is there something I am missing here? I
> > can't find
> > > anything in the 67 shop manual about this either. Any help?
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: *Mike H* < mahilly at gmail.com
> <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com> <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com
> <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>
> <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com <mailto:mahilly at gmail.com>>>>
> > > Date: Jan 3, 2007 9:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CM] Horns
> > > To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> > > < classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
> <mailto:classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca>
> > <mailto:classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
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Mail From: JCool289 (JCool289


In a message dated 1/27/2007 11:32:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mahilly at gmail.com writes:

So I should be able to move the sleeve, right? Any suggestions how to get
it to move?


if i remember correctly on my 66 (67 may differ) the sleeve didn't slide but
the bell looking collar thingy (that the turn signal switch is inside of)
could be loosened and slid up or down the sleeve. i had to loosen it and slide
it up to the trim thing grant gives you with the install kit.

hope this is accurate....its been a while back....

Jason
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Mail From: ssixto (ssixto

hi guys,

hey Mike, sorry to come in late on this one.

did your Grant steering wheel come with a mounting kit? in that kit
wasn't there a bell shaped cover that goes over the upper column
collar? is this what you refer to as the 'wheel collar'?

do you mean that between the mouth of the wheel collar and the column
collar there is a 1/2" gap?

i believe you can get a deeper wheel collar from Grant...

At 08:30 AM 1/27/2007, you wrote:
>Got it. So mine has no rag joint, I think. The sleeve goes all the
>way down and stops just short of the steering box. The shaft
>continues out of the sleeve and into the steering box. About 1/2"
>of the shaft is visible. Plus, mine is a late 67 production. So I
>should be able to move the sleeve, right? Any suggestions how to
>get it to move? Are there any other screws to loosen (besides to
>two under the dash) that I am not seeing? It's probably just frozen
>from 40 years of no movement. I just don't want to start banging on
>the thing and break or scratch something (which is what what usually
>happens). Thanks.
>
>On 1/26/07, Walt Boeninger
><<mailto:walt at boeninger.net>walt at boeninger.net> wrote:
>...uh, if you have a rag joint..... the coupling right
>above the steering box is the rag joint. The long shaft
>has no joint, it just goes straight into the box. 64-66
>and early 67s have no rag joint (supposedly) my Dec 66
>built Shelby has a rag joint. Most 67s do
>
>Mike H wrote:
> > How do I identify which one I have (other than not being able to move
> > the sleeve)?
> >
> > On 1/25/07, *Walt Boeninger* <<mailto:walt at boeninger.net>walt at boeninger.net
> > <mailto:walt at boeninger.net>> wrote:
> >
> > If you have a rag joint, as opposed to the solid (long)
> > shaft, then you cannot slide the sleeve. It's held in
> > place by the upper bearing/turn signal switch...
> >
> > ...I think ..... I know I have never been able to move mine.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> >
> > Mike H wrote:
> > > I finally got my Grant wood grain wheel installed. There is now
> > > a 1/4"+ gap between the lip of the column and wheel collar. The
> > grant
> > > instructions say that I can just loosen the column mounting bolts
> > under
> > > the dash and slide the column sleeve up to close the gap. I
> > tried this
> > > but couldn't get the sleeve to move. I don't see any other
> > attachments
> > > holding the column. Is there something I am missing here? I
> > can't find
> > > anything in the 67 shop manual about this either. Any help?
> > >


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thanks, "for evil to triumph,
sixto good men need only do nothing"

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Mail From: ckelly (Chris Kelly)

I have had two "late" 67 (the Falcon and the old 67 Mustang that's been
sold) that do not have rag joints. Application was very spotty until 1968
when the colapsible columns came into production. The late production
Mustang had all 66 windshield washer parts too - but that might not have
been stock.

=====================================
Chris Kelly - ckelly at raceabilene.net
raceabilene.net/kelly/hotrod
Merkel, Texas
Member:
International Hot Rod Association
Abilene Performance Car Association
Falcon Club of America
=====================================


> -----Original Message-----
> From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On
> Behalf Of Walt Boeninger
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:10 PM
> To: Chris Kelly
> Subject: Re: [CM] Steering wheel (was Horns)
>
>
> I still don't understand why your late 67 has a long shaft,
> when my early 67 has rag joint, and all 65/66s had long
> shafts.

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Mail From: mahilly (Mike H)

>
> did your Grant steering wheel come with a mounting kit? in that kit
> wasn't there a bell shaped cover that goes over the upper column
> collar? is this what you refer to as the 'wheel collar'?
>
> do you mean that between the mouth of the wheel collar and the column
> collar there is a 1/2" gap?


Yep, the kit cam with 3 different bell shaped "wheel collars". One was way
too long, one had a larger diameter than the steering column, and the short
one, the one that actually fit, left a gap.
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Mail From: ssixto (ssixto

hi guys,

way too long meaning that it somehow wouldn't fit over the column?

can you just trim the 'too long' one to be just right?

At 09:16 AM 1/28/2007, you wrote:
>did your Grant steering wheel come with a mounting kit? in that kit
>wasn't there a bell shaped cover that goes over the upper column
>collar? is this what you refer to as the 'wheel collar'?
>
>do you mean that between the mouth of the wheel collar and the column
>collar there is a 1/2" gap?
>
>
>Yep, the kit cam with 3 different bell shaped "wheel collars". One
>was way too long, one had a larger diameter than the steering
>column, and the short one, the one that actually fit, left a gap.


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Mail From: walt (Walt Boeninger)

I wonder if the type of steering box could be the reason
for the "spottyness" Perhaps the quick (16:1) boxes came
with rag joints earlier than the standard boxes? Since
mine are both quick ..... being as both are Shelbys....

OK, maybe not. the parts interchange book shows no less
than 9 different boxes in either 16:1 or 19:1 ration
with either the 6-3/16" or 41-7/8" long shafts.....all
two with C5ZZ and the rest C7ZZ numbers.....

Walt
----

Chris Kelly wrote:
> I have had two "late" 67 (the Falcon and the old 67 Mustang that's been
> sold) that do not have rag joints. Application was very spotty until 1968
> when the colapsible columns came into production. The late production
> Mustang had all 66 windshield washer parts too - but that might not have
> been stock.
>
> =====================================
> Chris Kelly - ckelly at raceabilene.net
> raceabilene.net/kelly/hotrod
> Merkel, Texas
> Member:
> International Hot Rod Association
> Abilene Performance Car Association
> Falcon Club of America
> =====================================
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On
>> Behalf Of Walt Boeninger
>> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:10 PM
>> To: Chris Kelly
>> Subject: Re: [CM] Steering wheel (was Horns)
>>
>>
>> I still don't understand why your late 67 has a long shaft,
>> when my early 67 has rag joint, and all 65/66s had long
>> shafts.
>

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Mail From: mahilly (Mike H)

On 1/28/07, ssixto at sbcglobal.net <ssixto at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> hi guys,
>
> way too long meaning that it somehow wouldn't fit over the column?
>
> can you just trim the 'too long' one to be just right?


I'm leaving that idea as a last resort. I'm not confident in my own ability
(and tools) to trim it myself so I'd have to find someone to do it for me.
I'd rather just adjust the column sleeve if I can. I haven't been back out
there to give it another try yet...
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