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Mail From: mustang (Brandon Peskin)

It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
Saturday to advertise for the company.

The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
event.

I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
puke tank and so forth.

Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)

Thanks in advance.

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Mail From: dano (Dan O'Reilly)

Hey, if I can do a parade at the end of May in Colorado with a stock 3-row
radiator, 7-blade fan and 160 degree thermostat in my '66 with 289 and
automatic, you should be fine. We were doing a LOT of stop and (very slow)
go for about 4 miles, took about an hour or so in 80+ degree weather. The
engine did tend toward the warm side, but whenever we had any kind of
decent holdup, I would put the car in neutral and rev the engine to about
1500-2000 rpm or so. It was actually kind of funny, because I was in a
convoy of old Mustangs for my car club, and you could hear everybody doing
the same rev.

At 03:34 PM 1/8/2008, Brandon Peskin wrote:
>It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
>marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
>'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
>Saturday to advertise for the company.
>
>The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
>bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
>into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
>in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
>event.
>
>I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
>shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
>puke tank and so forth.
>
>Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
>anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)
>
>Thanks in advance.

---

Dan O'Reilly
1966 Nightmist Blue Pony Coupe
1971 Bright Red Mach 1
2002 Black Deluxe Convertible
Colorado Springs, CO

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Mail From: walt (Walt Boeninger)

A piece of black electrical tape..... over the gauge....;-)

Does it ever actually overheat, or just make you uncomfortable
watching the gauge? ...and I know that feeling very well....

I would think if you have a fan and shroud, that should be
enough.... and it's also cool outside....

Brandon Peskin wrote:
> It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
> marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
> 'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
> Saturday to advertise for the company.
>
> The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
> bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
> into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
> in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
> event.
>
> I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
> shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
> puke tank and so forth.
>
> Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
> anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

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Mail From: nvrl8nmy68 (nvrl8nmy68

Brandon: Have you ever tried running Water Wetter in your radiator in place of coolant? If you add a bottle to plain water in your radiator, it can help the radiator run 20 degrees cooler. My '68 used to run too warm until I had the transmission rebuilt. I ran Water Wetter and plain water in the radiator and added a fan shroud and that allowed me to do parades.

Julie

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1968 Mustang Hardtop, "L.B.", vermillion red w/black vinyl top. 289cc, C-4 automatic transmission, deluxe black/woodgrain interior with upper and lower console, FlowMaster dual exhaust, exterior decor group & vintage Magnum 500 wheels..
2006 Mustang Coupe, "EVO", Legend Lime with black GT stripes. 4.0L, 5-speed stick, graphite/carbon fiber dash with billet aluminum knobs & trim pieces.

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From: Brandon Peskin <mustang at peskin.org>

> It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
> marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
> 'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
> Saturday to advertise for the company.
>
> The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
> bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
> into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
> in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
> event.
>
> I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
> shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
> puke tank and so forth.
>
> Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
> anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Mail From: chrisstephens (Chris Stephens)


I second that.
It will help some to drain the coolent and use distilled water and water wetter just for the parade. Consider it a system flush :-)

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: nvrl8nmy68 at comcast.net
To: chrisstephens at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CM] Anyone with parade cars out there (or drag?)


Brandon: Have you ever tried running Water Wetter in your radiator in place of coolant? If you add a bottle to plain water in your radiator, it can help the radiator run 20 degrees cooler. My '68 used to run too warm until I had the transmission rebuilt. I ran Water Wetter and plain water in the radiator and added a fan shroud and that allowed me to do parades.

Julie

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1968 Mustang Hardtop, "L.B.", vermillion red w/black vinyl top. 289cc, C-4 automatic transmission, deluxe black/woodgrain interior with upper and lower console, FlowMaster dual exhaust, exterior decor group & vintage Magnum 500 wheels..
2006 Mustang Coupe, "EVO", Legend Lime with black GT stripes. 4.0L, 5-speed stick, graphite/carbon fiber dash with billet aluminum knobs & trim pieces.

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From: Brandon Peskin <mustang at peskin.org>

> It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
> marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
> 'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
> Saturday to advertise for the company.
>
> The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
> bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
> into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
> in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
> event.
>
> I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
> shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
> p uke ta nk and so forth.
>
> Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
> anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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Mail From: mustangpaul (Paul Sawyer)

I was in a Mardi Gras parade a few years back. The heat got a bit high, but
nothing that caused me to panic. What did cause me to panic was my charging
system. I had replaced the voltage regulator and the nimrod at the local
parts house gave me one for a NON-ac car. Over the course of the parade, I
watched my ammeter go lower and lower. I made it home because I had a good
battery. Just made it home. The VR wasn't charging the battery like it
should have been. I took it back, showed him in his own parts book the two
numbers, to which he replied, "Well, I'll be." I haven't been back.

Remember that you charging system can cause problems, too, at a slow crawl.

BTW, I'll never to a mardi gras parade again. Too many drunk people, with
kids, staggering out in between cars. I was a nervous wreck thinking that
I'd hit someone, or worse, a child. No thank you.

--P

On Jan 8, 2008 4:57 PM, Walt Boeninger <walt at boeninger.net> wrote:

> A piece of black electrical tape..... over the gauge....;-)
>
> Does it ever actually overheat, or just make you uncomfortable
> watching the gauge? ...and I know that feeling very well....
>
> I would think if you have a fan and shroud, that should be
> enough.... and it's also cool outside....
>
> Brandon Peskin wrote:
> > It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
> > marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
> > 'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
> > Saturday to advertise for the company.
> >
> > The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
> > bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
> > into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
> > in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
> > event.
> >
> > I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
> > shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
> > puke tank and so forth.
> >
> > Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
> > anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> _______________________________________________
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Mail From: jeffsubs (Jeff Shanholtz)

AC cars are supposed to have different regulators? Does that hold true for
aftermarket air? I installed air last summer but didn't know you're supposed
to have a different regulator. I haven't had a problem with charging, but
they again I haven't been in a parade either.

What exactly does it do differently than a "non AC" regulator?

_____

From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Paul
Sawyer
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:19 PM
To: jeffsubs at shanholtz.com
Subject: Re: [CM] Anyone with parade cars out there (or drag?)


I was in a Mardi Gras parade a few years back. The heat got a bit high, but
nothing that caused me to panic. What did cause me to panic was my charging
system. I had replaced the voltage regulator and the nimrod at the local
parts house gave me one for a NON-ac car. Over the course of the parade, I
watched my ammeter go lower and lower. I made it home because I had a good
battery. Just made it home. The VR wasn't charging the battery like it
should have been. I took it back, showed him in his own parts book the two
numbers, to which he replied, "Well, I'll be." I haven't been back.

Remember that you charging system can cause problems, too, at a slow crawl.

BTW, I'll never to a mardi gras parade again. Too many drunk people, with
kids, staggering out in between cars. I was a nervous wreck thinking that
I'd hit someone, or worse, a child. No thank you.

--P


On Jan 8, 2008 4:57 PM, Walt Boeninger <walt at boeninger.net> wrote:


A piece of black electrical tape..... over the gauge....;-)

Does it ever actually overheat, or just make you uncomfortable
watching the gauge? ...and I know that feeling very well....

I would think if you have a fan and shroud, that should be
enough.... and it's also cool outside....


Brandon Peskin wrote:
> It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
> marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
> 'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
> Saturday to advertise for the company.
>
> The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
> bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
> into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
> in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
> event.
>
> I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
> shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
> puke tank and so forth.
>
> Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
> anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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Mail From: dano (Dan O'Reilly)

At 06:19 PM 1/8/2008, Paul Sawyer wrote:
>BTW, I'll never to a mardi gras parade again. Too many drunk people, with
>kids, staggering out in between cars. I was a nervous wreck thinking that
>I'd hit someone, or worse, a child. No thank you.

The parade I was in had a bunch of politicians running for office...I was
afraid I would miss one...still not sure why they were in a Memorial Day
parade...

---

Dan O'Reilly
1966 Nightmist Blue Pony Coupe
1971 Bright Red Mach 1
2002 Black Deluxe Convertible
Colorado Springs, CO

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Mail From: mustangpaul (Paul Sawyer)

I believe that they put out more charge to the battery. (Don't really know,
but the factory air cars have two different ones.)

I'd guess that a kit from a good dealer would have the part if needed.

Here is an example. Middle column. . .
.<yearone.com/pco/E_0907/0084.asp>


On Jan 8, 2008 7:50 PM, Jeff Shanholtz <jeffsubs at shanholtz.com> wrote:

> AC cars are supposed to have different regulators? Does that hold true
> for aftermarket air? I installed air last summer but didn't know you're
> supposed to have a different regulator. I haven't had a problem with
> charging, but they again I haven't been in a parade either.
>
> What exactly does it do differently than a "non AC" regulator?
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca [mailto:
> classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] *On Behalf Of *Paul Sawyer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:19 PM
> *To:* jeffsubs at shanholtz.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CM] Anyone with parade cars out there (or drag?)
>
> I was in a Mardi Gras parade a few years back. The heat got a bit high,
> but nothing that caused me to panic. What did cause me to panic was my
> charging system. I had replaced the voltage regulator and the nimrod at the
> local parts house gave me one for a NON-ac car. Over the course of the
> parade, I watched my ammeter go lower and lower. I made it home because I
> had a good battery. Just made it home. The VR wasn't charging the battery
> like it should have been. I took it back, showed him in his own parts book
> the two numbers, to which he replied, "Well, I'll be." I haven't been back.
>
>
> Remember that you charging system can cause problems, too, at a slow
> crawl.
>
> BTW, I'll never to a mardi gras parade again. Too many drunk people, with
> kids, staggering out in between cars. I was a nervous wreck thinking that
> I'd hit someone, or worse, a child. No thank you.
>
> --P
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 4:57 PM, Walt Boeninger <walt at boeninger.net> wrote:
>
> > A piece of black electrical tape..... over the gauge....;-)
> >
> > Does it ever actually overheat, or just make you uncomfortable
> > watching the gauge? ...and I know that feeling very well....
> >
> > I would think if you have a fan and shroud, that should be
> > enough.... and it's also cool outside....
> >
> > Brandon Peskin wrote:
> > > It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
> > > marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
> > > 'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
> > > Saturday to advertise for the company.
> > >
> > > The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
> >
> > > bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
> > > into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
> > > in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
> > > event.
> > >
> > > I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
> > > shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
> > > puke tank and so forth.
> > >
> > > Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
> > > anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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Mail From: keven (Coates, Keven)

An electric fan is nice, but honestly, a shroud and a stock fan would do
wonders for you.

I was in the same boat about 15 years ago. Modified V8, 3 row radiator,
AC, flex fan, and no shroud, and I live in Houston! Anytime I had to
get into stop and go traffic the gauge would start to creep.

My dad fabricated a shroud out of some tin we had, and man what a
difference! My car no longer overheated at the drop of a hat. It was
actually very stable and I had no problems with it until that radiator
died and I decided to get more serious about cooling for my next 375
stroker.

Go with a shroud if you can. Water wetter and water will help, but if
that's not enough, I'd say a shroud should be your next step.

BTW, flex fans are not efficient and really don't help anything. Stock
fans with their shaped blades are quieter, move more air, and with a
clutch they take less HP at high RPMs. Hot rod did a test a decade or
two ago about this and this was their finding.

Keven
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Mail From: mahilly (Mike H)

It sounds like you get to choose where you are going to be driving (not in a
parade)? If so, you can easily avoid traffic jams in SF on a Saturday
(except for the bay bridge coming in). Also, February in SF is a balmy 60
degrees outside, so maybe it won't be a problem anyway. And if you do start
to get hot, just jump on Guadalupe Canyon and step on it - a la Frank
Bullit!!!

On Jan 8, 2008 2:34 PM, Brandon Peskin <mustang at peskin.org> wrote:

> It just so happens that one of the primary colors my company uses for
> marketing is VERY similar to the color of my Mustang and they want to
> 'employ' me to drive around downtown San Francisco next month on a
> Saturday to advertise for the company.
>
> The problem is that this is downtown SF so there's going to be quite a
> bit of stop-n-go/low speed street driving (read: little or no airflow
> into the engine bay) and I have a creeping needle sometimes when I sit
> in traffic as it is and am worried I'll easily overheat during this
> event.
>
> I have a V8, a 3-row copper radiator, flex-a-lite belt driven fan (no
> shroud), 185F thermostat (I think), the stainless steel side-mounted
> puke tank and so forth.
>
> Would an electric fan setup be the solve-all solution for this? Would
> anyone recommend anything else to go with it (or instead of?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:30 PM, Mike H wrote:

> just jump on Guadalupe Canyon and step on it - a la Frank Bullit!!!


I've gone through there before with Bullit thoughts in my head. Then I
realized I'd probably break a tie rod ;-)

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Mail From: mustang (Brandon Peskin)


On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Coates, Keven wrote:

> BTW, flex fans are not efficient and really don't help anything.
> Stock
> fans with their shaped blades are quieter, move more air, and with a
> clutch they take less HP at high RPMs. Hot rod did a test a decade or
> two ago about this and this was their finding.
>
> Keven

Thanks for that input. I guess I should have done more research before
I bought the flex-a-lite flex fan.

For what its worth I also notice alot of air *behind* the fan.

In other words:

Any kitty litter I have on the garage floor under and behind the fan
(ie maybe directly under the oil pan) gets blown away when I start the
car and there's a moderate amount of air flow at fast idle to be felt
BEHIND the fan. The arrows on the flex fan suggest its rotating in the
right direction; its always seemed as if theres a helluva lot more air
BEHIND the fan than its pushing forward.

For the record, I have a stainless steel flex-a-lite fan in blue (mustangsplus.com/xcart/product.php?productid=1138&cat=2159&page=1
) with a spacer that pushes it to about 1-1.5 inches from the radiator.

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Mail From: walt (Walt Boeninger)



Brandon Peskin wrote:

>
> For what its worth I also notice alot of air *behind* the fan.

> In other words:
>
> Any kitty litter I have on the garage floor under and behind the fan
> (ie maybe directly under the oil pan) gets blown away when I start the
> car and there's a moderate amount of air flow at fast idle to be felt
> BEHIND the fan. The arrows on the flex fan suggest its rotating in the
> right direction; its always seemed as if theres a helluva lot more air
> BEHIND the fan than its pushing forward.


Huh? As opposed to where? .... Pushing forward?????

The fan sucks air through the radiator to the rear......
so that's normal.

--

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mailto:webmaster at norcal-saac.org
boeninger.net
shelbytransam.com

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Mail From: ckelly (Chris Kelly)

If you have the "good" Flex-a-lite, don't change it - it's better than most
OEM fans and much better than any flex fan that most people are used to.
I've used two of the six blade units and they move a LOT of air and work
well. Good for a driver.

flex-a-lite.com/auto/html/1300-series-flex.html

Not the wimpy stuff - these are real salad shooters. Move air, lop off your
fingers.


=====================================
Chris Kelly - ckelly at raceabilene.com
raceabilene.net/kelly/hotrod
Merkel, Texas
Member:
International Hot Rod Association
Abilene Performance Car Association
Falcon Club of America
=====================================


> -----Original Message-----
> From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On
> Behalf Of Brandon Peskin
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:40 AM
> To: Chris Kelly
> Subject: Re: [CM] Anyone with parade cars out there (or drag?)
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Coates, Keven wrote:
>
> > BTW, flex fans are not efficient and really don't help anything.
> > Stock
> > fans with their shaped blades are quieter, move more air,
> and with a
> > clutch they take less HP at high RPMs. Hot rod did a test
> a decade or
> > two ago about this and this was their finding.
> >
> > Keven
>
> Thanks for that input. I guess I should have done more
> research before I bought the flex-a-lite flex fan.
>
> For what its worth I also notice alot of air *behind* the fan.
>
> In other words:
>
> Any kitty litter I have on the garage floor under and behind
> the fan (ie maybe directly under the oil pan) gets blown away
> when I start the car and there's a moderate amount of air
> flow at fast idle to be felt BEHIND the fan. The arrows on
> the flex fan suggest its rotating in the right direction; its
> always seemed as if theres a helluva lot more air BEHIND the
> fan than its pushing forward.
>
> For the record, I have a stainless steel flex-a-lite fan in
> blue
> (mustangsplus.com/xcart/product.php?productid=1138&
cat=2159&page=1
> ) with a spacer that pushes it to about 1-1.5 inches from the
> radiator.
>
>
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That's a wicked looking piece of equipment. When the company advises long
sleeves and gloves, you know they've taken off a finger or two.

What size spacer does one generally need on a 289 with a four row radiator?

On Jan 9, 2008 10:00 PM, Chris Kelly <ckelly at raceabilene.com> wrote:

> If you have the "good" Flex-a-lite, don't change it - it's better than
> most
> OEM fans and much better than any flex fan that most people are used to.
> I've used two of the six blade units and they move a LOT of air and work
> well. Good for a driver.
>
> flex-a-lite.com/auto/html/1300-series-flex.html
>
> Not the wimpy stuff - these are real salad shooters. Move air, lop off
> your
> fingers.
>
>
> =====================================
> Chris Kelly - ckelly at raceabilene.com
> raceabilene.net/kelly/hotrod
> Merkel, Texas
> Member:
> International Hot Rod Association
> Abilene Performance Car Association
> Falcon Club of America
> =====================================
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> > [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On
> > Behalf Of Brandon Peskin
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:40 AM
> > To: Chris Kelly
> > Subject: Re: [CM] Anyone with parade cars out there (or drag?)
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Coates, Keven wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, flex fans are not efficient and really don't help anything.
> > > Stock
> > > fans with their shaped blades are quieter, move more air,
> > and with a
> > > clutch they take less HP at high RPMs. Hot rod did a test
> > a decade or
> > > two ago about this and this was their finding.
> > >
> > > Keven
> >
> > Thanks for that input. I guess I should have done more
> > research before I bought the flex-a-lite flex fan.
> >
> > For what its worth I also notice alot of air *behind* the fan.
> >
> > In other words:
> >
> > Any kitty litter I have on the garage floor under and behind
> > the fan (ie maybe directly under the oil pan) gets blown away
> > when I start the car and there's a moderate amount of air
> > flow at fast idle to be felt BEHIND the fan. The arrows on
> > the flex fan suggest its rotating in the right direction; its
> > always seemed as if theres a helluva lot more air BEHIND the
> > fan than its pushing forward.
> >
> > For the record, I have a stainless steel flex-a-lite fan in
> > blue
> > (mustangsplus.com/xcart/product.php?productid=1138&
> cat=2159&page=1
> > ) with a spacer that pushes it to about 1-1.5 inches from the
> > radiator.
> >
> >
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On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Chris Kelly wrote:

> flex-a-lite.com/auto/html/1300-series-flex.html


That's the one I have:

photos.peskin.org/displayimage.php?album=36&pos=144

photos.peskin.org/displayimage.php?album=36&pos=84


But this is especially helpful (from their website)
> WARNING: Must be used with a Fan Shroud!

I don't have one. That could be a problem

Look at the first link. Is the fan too far away? Is is too large for a
shroud? Chris, what did you do about shrouds?

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Absolutely, 100% you need a shroud on that. It'll work a billion times
better since it's so far from the radiator. The way you should do this is
find the appropriate shroud, then get a fan that clears the opening by about
1/2" or so, then add a spacer so that the fan blades are halfway into the
opening. The first set of 351Cs I ran in the Falcon used a 17x24
copper/brass radiator. I tried a few 16" high perf electrics and I always
had temp creep. Fabricated a shround and used a 17" model of that fan - no
more temp creep. The old 67 Mustang we had used a 16" model with a 3 core
small V8 radiator and a shroud.

=====================================
Chris Kelly - ckelly at raceabilene.com
raceabilene.net/kelly/hotrod
Merkel, Texas
Member:
International Hot Rod Association
Abilene Performance Car Association
Falcon Club of America
=====================================


> -----Original Message-----
> From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On
> Behalf Of Brandon Peskin
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:05 AM
> To: Chris Kelly
> Subject: Re: [CM] Anyone with parade cars out there (or drag?)
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Chris Kelly wrote:
>
> > flex-a-lite.com/auto/html/1300-series-flex.html
>
>
> That's the one I have:
>
> photos.peskin.org/displayimage.php?album=36&pos=144
>
> photos.peskin.org/displayimage.php?album=36&pos=84
>
>
> But this is especially helpful (from their website) >
> WARNING: Must be used with a Fan Shroud!
>
> I don't have one. That could be a problem
>
> Look at the first link. Is the fan too far away? Is is too
> large for a shroud? Chris, what did you do about shrouds?
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Mail From: ckelly (Chris Kelly)

Nice car by the way!

=====================================
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raceabilene.net/kelly/hotrod
Merkel, Texas
Member:
International Hot Rod Association
Abilene Performance Car Association
Falcon Club of America
=====================================


> -----Original Message-----
> From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On
> Behalf Of Brandon Peskin
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:05 AM
> To: Chris Kelly
> Subject: Re: [CM] Anyone with parade cars out there (or drag?)
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2008, at 8:00 PM, Chris Kelly wrote:
>
> > flex-a-lite.com/auto/html/1300-series-flex.html
>
>
> That's the one I have:
>
> photos.peskin.org/displayimage.php?album=36&pos=144
>
> photos.peskin.org/displayimage.php?album=36&pos=84
>

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On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Chris Kelly wrote:

> Absolutely, 100% you need a shroud on that. It'll work a billion
> times
> better since it's so far from the radiator. The way you should do
> this is
> find the appropriate shroud, then get a fan that clears the opening
> by about
> 1/2" or so, then add a spacer so that the fan blades are halfway
> into the
> opening.

Thanks. Ideally I'd keep that fan and just add a shroud. Anyone have a
17" fan with a shroud and a 3-row radiator? Otherwise, I guess I need
to play metal shop.

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On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Chris Kelly wrote:

> Nice car by the way!


Thanks! On my list of new years resolutions is to take more pics of it
and now I have a tripod for the camera which will aide in picture
snapping during projects. Maybe I can get the wife to pose with it
too *grin*. She won't put on a bikini and wash it, I've tried

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On Jan 10, 2008, at 2:25 PM, David wrote:

> I use that combo (shroud, 3-row & factory clutch fan) on my 351w
> stroked to 427. Works well year 'round. The shrouds are available
> on eBay for around $20. Heck, here's one with a factory A/C fan and
> shroud combo for that price:
> preview.tinyurl.com/ywoc9l


Is that a 17" fan? Do you know? Ideally I'd like to keep my flex-a-
lite fan if possible.

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On Jan 9, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Paul Sawyer wrote:

> When the company advises long sleeves and gloves, you know they've
> taken off a finger or two.



They aren't BSing. The blades are sharp as hell.

There was a big yellow sticker to that effect on the box, too.
Whenever I'm working near it I cover it over. I've sliced up countless
rubber gloves, nicked my fingers a few times, sliced up the rubber
handle on my gasket scraper, and tore up one of my fender grippers.
This is all with the engine off. Needless to say I don't look forward
to reaching down there and undoing the bolts next time :-)

I'd recommend a sweatshirt when they say `long sleeves'. It'll tear a
long sleeve shirt. See above :-)