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I am going to build a 351 EFI engine and AOD for my Mustang. I am looking
for advice on the parts to get for the EFI. There are several scenarios I
can think of.

1. Buy a 5.0 Mass Air and AOD combination for about $2200 USED. Put that in
the Mustang until I can rebuild the 351 and then get the 351 intake and make
the swap.

2. Rebuild the 351W and buy all new EFI components. I guess you would get
the components from FMS. Looks to be pretty expensive.

3. Buy a 5.0 Speed Density and AOD for $500. Put that in the Mustang until
I rebuild the 351 and then convert to Mass Air (about $500) and change to
the 351 Intake.

Any suggestions on costs?

Thanks

Don Franck
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1971 Pantera #1777 / 1969 Mustang Mach 1 / 1975 Bronco
Wk 713-277-8512 / Wk Fax 713-277-8551
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<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am going to build
a 351 EFI engine and AOD for my Mustang.  I am looking for advice on the
parts to get for the EFI.  There are several scenarios I can think
of.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Buy a 5.0 Mass
Air and AOD combination for about $2200 USED.  Put that in the Mustang
until I can rebuild the 351 and then get the 351 intake and make the
swap.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Rebuild the 351W
and buy all new EFI components.  I guess you would get the components from
FMS.  Looks to be pretty expensive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. Buy a 5.0 Speed
Density and AOD for $500.  Put that in the Mustang until I rebuild the 351
and then convert to Mass Air (about $500) and change to the 351
Intake.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any suggestions on
costs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Don Franck</FONT> <BR><FONT
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face="Courier New" size=2>1971 Pantera #1777 /  1969 Mustang Mach 1 / 1975
Bronco</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Wk 713-277-8512 / Wk Fax 
713-277-8551</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>HM 281-856-8049 / Hm
Fax  281-859-9531</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><A
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Much of my opinion would be based on the purpose of the EFI swap.=
Performance? Cool looks? Drivability? Don't get me wrong - I'm all for=
FI - but why are you swapping? And why, specifically, an AOD?
********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 12/3/02 at 6:12 AM Franck DJ (Don) wrote:
I am going to build a 351 EFI engine and AOD for my Mustang. I am looking=
for advice on the parts to get for the EFI. There are several scenarios I=
can think of.

1. Buy a 5.0 Mass Air and AOD combination for about $2200 USED. Put that=
in the Mustang until I can rebuild the 351 and then get the 351 intake and=
make the swap.

2. Rebuild the 351W and buy all new EFI components. I guess you would get=
the components from FMS. Looks to be pretty expensive.

3. Buy a 5.0 Speed Density and AOD for $500. Put that in the Mustang until=
I rebuild the 351 and then convert to Mass Air (about $500) and change to=
the 351 Intake.

Any suggestions on costs?

Thanks
Don Franck
(email redacted)
1971 Pantera #1777 / 1969 Mustang Mach 1 / 1975 Bronco
Wk 713-277-8512 / Wk Fax 713-277-8551
HM 281-856-8049 / Hm Fax 281-859-9531
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<BODY>Much of my opinion would be based on the purpose of the EFI swap. 
Performance?  Cool looks?  Drivability?  Don't get me wrong - I'm
all for FI - but why are you swapping?  And why, specifically, an
AOD?<BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR>On
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<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am going to
build a 351 EFI engine and AOD for my Mustang.  I am looking for advice
on the parts to get for the EFI.  There are several scenarios I can think
of.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Buy a 5.0 Mass
Air and AOD combination for about $2200 USED.  Put that in the Mustang
until I can rebuild the 351 and then get the 351 intake and make the
swap.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Rebuild the
351W and buy all new EFI components.  I guess you would get the
components from FMS.  Looks to be pretty expensive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. Buy a 5.0 Speed
Density and AOD for $500.  Put that in the Mustang until I rebuild the
351 and then convert to Mass Air (about $500) and change to the 351
Intake.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any suggestions on
costs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Don Franck</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>(email redacted)</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>1971 Pantera #1777 /  1969 Mustang Mach 1 /
1975 Bronco</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Wk 713-277-8512 / Wk
Fax  713-277-8551</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>HM
281-856-8049 / Hm Fax  281-859-9531</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><A href="geocities.com/francdj/"
target=_blank>geocities.com/francdj/</A></FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2><A href="geocities.com/broncopit/"
target=_blank>geocities.com/broncopit/</A></FONT> </P>
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All the above. Drivability, Cool looks, Performance, Economy (It is my
daily driver) The aod/351 EFI with my 3.00 gears should give me 20+ MPG.

Don

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Much of my opinion would be based on the purpose of the EFI swap.
Performance? Cool looks? Drivability? Don't get me wrong - I'm all for FI
- but why are you swapping? And why, specifically, an AOD?
********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 12/3/02 at 6:12 AM Franck DJ (Don) wrote:

I am going to build a 351 EFI engine and AOD for my Mustang. I am looking
for advice on the parts to get for the EFI. There are several scenarios I
can think of.

1. Buy a 5.0 Mass Air and AOD combination for about $2200 USED. Put that in
the Mustang until I can rebuild the 351 and then get the 351 intake and make
the swap.

2. Rebuild the 351W and buy all new EFI components. I guess you would get
the components from FMS. Looks to be pretty expensive.

3. Buy a 5.0 Speed Density and AOD for $500. Put that in the Mustang until
I rebuild the 351 and then convert to Mass Air (about $500) and change to
the 351 Intake.

Any suggestions on costs?

Thanks

Don Franck
(email redacted)
1971 Pantera #1777 / 1969 Mustang Mach 1 / 1975 Bronco
Wk 713-277-8512 / Wk Fax 713-277-8551
HM 281-856-8049 / Hm Fax 281-859-9531
geocities.com/francdj/ <geocities.com/francdj/>
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<DIV><SPAN class=743382915-03122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>All
the above.  Drivability, Cool looks, Performance, Economy (It is my daily
driver)  The aod/351 EFI with my 3.00 gears should give me 20+
MPG.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=743382915-03122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=743382915-03122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Don</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> (email redacted)
[mailto sad smiley

email redacted)]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:25
AM<BR><B>To:</B> (email redacted)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[CM] Want to build a 351W EFI Engine<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Much of my opinion
would be based on the purpose of the EFI swap.  Performance?  Cool
looks?  Drivability?  Don't get me wrong - I'm all for FI - but why
are you swapping?  And why, specifically, an AOD?<BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR>On 12/3/02 at 6:12 AM Franck
DJ (Don) wrote:</FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am going to
build a 351 EFI engine and AOD for my Mustang.  I am looking for advice
on the parts to get for the EFI.  There are several scenarios I can
think of.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Buy a 5.0
Mass Air and AOD combination for about $2200 USED.  Put that in the
Mustang until I can rebuild the 351 and then get the 351 intake and make the
swap.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Rebuild the
351W and buy all new EFI components.  I guess you would get the
components from FMS.  Looks to be pretty expensive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. Buy a 5.0
Speed Density and AOD for $500.  Put that in the Mustang until I
rebuild the 351 and then convert to Mass Air (about $500) and change to the
351 Intake.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any suggestions
on costs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Don Franck</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>(email redacted)</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>1971 Pantera #1777 /  1969 Mustang Mach 1 /
1975 Bronco</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Wk 713-277-8512 / Wk
Fax  713-277-8551</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>HM
281-856-8049 / Hm Fax  281-859-9531</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New"
size=2><A target=_blank
href="geocities.com/francdj/">geocities.com/francdj/</A></FONT>
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href="geocities.com/broncopit/">geocities.com/broncopit/</A></FONT>
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Just my 2=A2 here, but the SD system is just as capable as the MA. If=
you're looking for more than very mild mods, the SD would be better and=
cheaper. For big mods, SD will adapt infinitely. At stock levels, either=
will work fine, tho. Keep in mind that the AOD will have you cruisin' the=
highway at a high idle (figuratively) and any mods that raise the=
efficient RPM range of the engine may actually contribute to a loss of=
MPG. I ran into this when first piecing a T5 car together with 3.25's in=
the rear and a cam that would let the engine breathe up to 5800. The=
cruise RPM was too low for the engine and I actually got better mileage in=
4th gear until I lowered the rear to a level the engine was happy with. I=
had planned on that change (3.70's), but until I did it, I couldn't use=
5th gear except at speeds that the troopers took keen interest in... :-)

A complete and stock roller 351 from a PU would be a straightforward=
project.

********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 12/3/02 at 9:32 AM Franck DJ (Don) wrote:
All the above. Drivability, Cool looks, Performance, Economy (It is my=
daily driver) The aod/351 EFI with my 3.00 gears should give me 20+ MPG.

Don
-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted) [mailto sad smiley

email redacted)]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:25 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: Re: [CM] Want to build a 351W EFI Engine

Much of my opinion would be based on the purpose of the EFI swap.=
Performance? Cool looks? Drivability? Don't get me wrong - I'm all for=
FI - but why are you swapping? And why, specifically, an AOD?
********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 12/3/02 at 6:12 AM Franck DJ (Don) wrote:
I am going to build a 351 EFI engine and AOD for my Mustang. I am looking=
for advice on the parts to get for the EFI. There are several scenarios I=
can think of.

1. Buy a 5.0 Mass Air and AOD combination for about $2200 USED. Put that=
in the Mustang until I can rebuild the 351 and then get the 351 intake and=
make the swap.

2. Rebuild the 351W and buy all new EFI components. I guess you would get=
the components from FMS. Looks to be pretty expensive.

3. Buy a 5.0 Speed Density and AOD for $500. Put that in the Mustang until=
I rebuild the 351 and then convert to Mass Air (about $500) and change to=
the 351 Intake.

Any suggestions on costs?

Thanks
Don Franck
(email redacted)
1971 Pantera #1777 / 1969 Mustang Mach 1 / 1975 Bronco
Wk 713-277-8512 / Wk Fax 713-277-8551
HM 281-856-8049 / Hm Fax 281-859-9531
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<DIV>Just my 2¢ here, but the SD system is just as capable as the MA.  If
you're looking for more than very mild mods, the SD would be better and
cheaper.  For big mods, SD will adapt infinitely.  At stock levels,
either will work fine, tho.  Keep in mind that the AOD will have you
cruisin' the highway at a high idle (figuratively) and any mods that raise the
efficient RPM range of the engine may actually contribute to a loss of
MPG.  I ran into this when first piecing a T5 car together with 3.25's in
the rear and a cam that would let the engine breathe up to 5800.  The
cruise RPM was too low for the engine and I actually got better mileage in 4th
gear until I lowered the rear to a level the engine was happy with.  I had
planned on that change (3.70's), but until I did it, I couldn't use 5th
gear except at speeds that the troopers took keen interest in...  
:-)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A complete and stock roller 351 from a PU would be a straightforward
project.</DIV>
<DIV> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>********** REPLY SEPARATOR
***********<BR>On 12/3/02 at 9:32 AM Franck DJ (Don) wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV><SPAN class=743382915-03122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>All
the above.  Drivability, Cool looks, Performance, Economy (It is my daily
driver)  The aod/351 EFI with my 3.00 gears should give me 20+
MPG.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=743382915-03122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=743382915-03122002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Don</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> (email redacted)
[mailto sad smiley

email redacted)]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:25
AM<BR><B>To:</B> (email redacted)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[CM] Want to build a 351W EFI Engine<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Much of my opinion
would be based on the purpose of the EFI swap.  Performance?  Cool
looks?  Drivability?  Don't get me wrong - I'm all for FI - but
why are you swapping?  And why, specifically, an AOD?<BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR>On 12/3/02 at
6:12 AM Franck DJ (Don) wrote:</FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid">
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am going to
build a 351 EFI engine and AOD for my Mustang.  I am looking for
advice on the parts to get for the EFI.  There are several scenarios
I can think of.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Buy a 5.0
Mass Air and AOD combination for about $2200 USED.  Put that in the
Mustang until I can rebuild the 351 and then get the 351 intake and make
the swap.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Rebuild the
351W and buy all new EFI components.  I guess you would get the
components from FMS.  Looks to be pretty
expensive.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. Buy a 5.0
Speed Density and AOD for $500.  Put that in the Mustang until I
rebuild the 351 and then convert to Mass Air (about $500) and change to
the 351 Intake.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any
suggestions on costs?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=507550512-03122002><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Don Franck</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>(email redacted)</FONT> <BR><FONT
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