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On Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:41 PM,
"Michael Manley" <(email redacted)> wrote:
> At 12:21 PM 1/19/02, you wrote:
> >I'm not sure of the paperwork details - especially since this was many
> >years ago. I'm pretty sure the dad broke the law. In Texas, he could have
> >filed for a lost title, forged the son's name on the replacement title (no
> >notary required in Texas to sign over a title - thanks to the New Car
> >Dealer's Association), got a "new" title and sold the car. It had been
> >sitting in a barn for years. Yes, it could have very well been a scam.
> >The person involved did manage to talk the son out of the expensive wheels
> >and tires later, but that was the last I heard of it.
> > >
> > >It seems to me that the dad must have broken a law by selling his son's
> > >car. Was it in both of their names? I think it takes both people's
> > >signature to sell a car like that here.
>
> That would really suck. Makes me paranoid now!
Or at least fore-warned. I experienced something like this.
Let's just say that when I was in college, and the head gasket split on my
'68 Mustang coupe (289-2V, auto), towing it to dad's store 5 miles from
the university seemed like the best plan. OK, maybe buying another car
and leaving the '68 there for a year wasn't. Dad's landlord told him to
move the car. About a year and a half after I originally parked the car
there, I showed up with a friend's trailer to take the car home. But it
was gone about a month before I got there.
You see, dad's name is nearly identical to mine (I am "II"
. And knowing
his son, when I told him I'd take care of it, he knew I meant "eventually".
So when the local engineer and Mustang enthusiast, hired and relocated
to build the new power plant showed interest in the car, my dad had him
do the work on the car. And then gave it to him as payment. Unfortunately,
he moved back to Georgia, taking the car with him.
How did he do it? New York was not a title state until 1973. So the
registration is the title for a '68 Mustang. All he had to do was show
his license and say he lost the registration. They issued him a new one
for $5, in about 5 minutes. And my actually "title" was then invalid.
At the time, I was first angry, then kind of mad at myself. Dad always
said "if you can't handle your own problems, I will". Within a few years,
we both recognized that it was a mistake to let our one-family owned,
low mileage, rust-free Mustang coupe slip away. But I also learned not
to impose on people, do what I say I'm going to do, and changed the
"II" to "Jr." ("II" didn't appear on my license; "Jr." would have).
====================================================================
John Dettori 01 Cobra (4.6l 6A
Sr. Manager 86 SVO (2.3l IT)
KPMG Consulting, Inc. 70 Mach I (351C-4V)
(email redacted) 67 GT350 (289-4V SC)
516 298 7072 67 GT Conv (289-4V)
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>On Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:41
PM,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> "Michael Manley" <</FONT><A
href="mailto
email redacted)"><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>(email redacted)</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>>
wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>> At 12:21 PM 1/19/02, you wrote:<BR>>
>I'm not sure of the paperwork details - especially since this was
many<BR>> >years ago. I'm pretty sure the dad broke the law.
In Texas, he could have<BR>> >filed for a lost title, forged the son's
name on the replacement title (no<BR>> >notary required in Texas to sign
over a title - thanks to the New Car<BR>> >Dealer's Association), got a
"new" title and sold the car. It had been<BR>> >sitting in a barn
for years. Yes, it could have very well been a scam.<BR>> >The
person involved did manage to talk the son out of the expensive wheels<BR>>
>and tires later, but that was the last I heard of it.<BR>> >
><BR>> > >It seems to me that the dad must have broken a law by
selling his son's<BR>> > >car. Was it in both of their names? I think
it takes both people's<BR>> > >signature to sell a car like that
here.<BR>> <BR>> That would really suck. Makes me paranoid
now!<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2>Or at </FONT>least fore-warned. I
experienced something like this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>Let's just say that when I was in college, and the head
gasket split on my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>'68 Mustang coupe (289-2V, auto), towing it to dad's
store 5 miles from </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>the university seemed like the best plan. OK, maybe
buying another car </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>and </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>leaving the
'68 there for a year wasn't. Dad's landlord told him to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>move the car. </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>About a year
and a half after I originally parked the car </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>there, I showed </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>up with a
friend's trailer to take the car home. But it </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>was gone about </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>a month before I
got there. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>You see, dad's name is nearly identical to mine (I am
"II". And knowing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>his son, when I told him I'd take care of it, he
knew I meant "eventually".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>So when the local engineer and Mustang enthusiast, hired
and relocated </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>to build the new power </FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma>plant showed interest in the car, my dad had him</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>do the work on the car. And then gave it to him as
payment. Unfortunately,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>he moved back to Georgia, taking the car with him.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>How did he do it? New York was not a title
state until 1973. So the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>registration is the title for a '68 Mustang. All
he had to do was show</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>his license and say he lost the registration. They
issued him a new one</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>for $5, in about 5 minutes. And my actually "title"
was then invalid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>At the time, I was first angry, then kind of mad at
myself. Dad always</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>said "if you can't handle your own problems, I
will". Within a few </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>years,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>we both recognized that it was a mistake to let our
one-family owned,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>low mileage, rust-free Mustang coupe slip away. But
I also learned not</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>to impose on people, do what I say I'm going to do, and
changed the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>"II" to "Jr."</FONT> <FONT face=Tahoma> ("II"
didn't appear on my license; "Jr." would have).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>====================================================================<BR> John
Dettori
01 Cobra (4.6l 6A<BR> Sr.
Manager
86 SVO (2.3l IT)<BR> KPMG Consulting,
Inc.
70 Mach I (351C-4V)<BR> <A
href="mailtoemail redacted)">(email redacted)</A>
67 GT350 (289-4V SC)<BR> 516 298
7072
67 GT Conv (289-4V)<BR></FONT></DIV>
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On Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:41 PM,
"Michael Manley" <(email redacted)> wrote:
> At 12:21 PM 1/19/02, you wrote:
> >I'm not sure of the paperwork details - especially since this was many
> >years ago. I'm pretty sure the dad broke the law. In Texas, he could have
> >filed for a lost title, forged the son's name on the replacement title (no
> >notary required in Texas to sign over a title - thanks to the New Car
> >Dealer's Association), got a "new" title and sold the car. It had been
> >sitting in a barn for years. Yes, it could have very well been a scam.
> >The person involved did manage to talk the son out of the expensive wheels
> >and tires later, but that was the last I heard of it.
> > >
> > >It seems to me that the dad must have broken a law by selling his son's
> > >car. Was it in both of their names? I think it takes both people's
> > >signature to sell a car like that here.
>
> That would really suck. Makes me paranoid now!
Or at least fore-warned. I experienced something like this.
Let's just say that when I was in college, and the head gasket split on my
'68 Mustang coupe (289-2V, auto), towing it to dad's store 5 miles from
the university seemed like the best plan. OK, maybe buying another car
and leaving the '68 there for a year wasn't. Dad's landlord told him to
move the car. About a year and a half after I originally parked the car
there, I showed up with a friend's trailer to take the car home. But it
was gone about a month before I got there.
You see, dad's name is nearly identical to mine (I am "II"
. And knowinghis son, when I told him I'd take care of it, he knew I meant "eventually".
So when the local engineer and Mustang enthusiast, hired and relocated
to build the new power plant showed interest in the car, my dad had him
do the work on the car. And then gave it to him as payment. Unfortunately,
he moved back to Georgia, taking the car with him.
How did he do it? New York was not a title state until 1973. So the
registration is the title for a '68 Mustang. All he had to do was show
his license and say he lost the registration. They issued him a new one
for $5, in about 5 minutes. And my actually "title" was then invalid.
At the time, I was first angry, then kind of mad at myself. Dad always
said "if you can't handle your own problems, I will". Within a few years,
we both recognized that it was a mistake to let our one-family owned,
low mileage, rust-free Mustang coupe slip away. But I also learned not
to impose on people, do what I say I'm going to do, and changed the
"II" to "Jr." ("II" didn't appear on my license; "Jr." would have).
====================================================================
John Dettori 01 Cobra (4.6l 6A
Sr. Manager 86 SVO (2.3l IT)
KPMG Consulting, Inc. 70 Mach I (351C-4V)
(email redacted) 67 GT350 (289-4V SC)
516 298 7072 67 GT Conv (289-4V)
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>On Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:41
PM,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> "Michael Manley" <</FONT><A
href="mailto
email redacted)"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>(email redacted)</FONT></A><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>>
wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>> At 12:21 PM 1/19/02, you wrote:<BR>>
>I'm not sure of the paperwork details - especially since this was
many<BR>> >years ago. I'm pretty sure the dad broke the law.
In Texas, he could have<BR>> >filed for a lost title, forged the son's
name on the replacement title (no<BR>> >notary required in Texas to sign
over a title - thanks to the New Car<BR>> >Dealer's Association), got a
"new" title and sold the car. It had been<BR>> >sitting in a barn
for years. Yes, it could have very well been a scam.<BR>> >The
person involved did manage to talk the son out of the expensive wheels<BR>>
>and tires later, but that was the last I heard of it.<BR>> >
><BR>> > >It seems to me that the dad must have broken a law by
selling his son's<BR>> > >car. Was it in both of their names? I think
it takes both people's<BR>> > >signature to sell a car like that
here.<BR>> <BR>> That would really suck. Makes me paranoid
now!<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2>Or at </FONT>least fore-warned. I
experienced something like this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>Let's just say that when I was in college, and the head
gasket split on my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>'68 Mustang coupe (289-2V, auto), towing it to dad's
store 5 miles from </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>the university seemed like the best plan. OK, maybe
buying another car </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>and </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>leaving the
'68 there for a year wasn't. Dad's landlord told him to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>move the car. </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>About a year
and a half after I originally parked the car </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>there, I showed </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>up with a
friend's trailer to take the car home. But it </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>was gone about </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>a month before I
got there. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>You see, dad's name is nearly identical to mine (I am
"II"
. And knowing</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>his son, when I told him I'd take care of it, he
knew I meant "eventually".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>So when the local engineer and Mustang enthusiast, hired
and relocated </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>to build the new power </FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma>plant showed interest in the car, my dad had him</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>do the work on the car. And then gave it to him as
payment. Unfortunately,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>he moved back to Georgia, taking the car with him.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>How did he do it? New York was not a title
state until 1973. So the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>registration is the title for a '68 Mustang. All
he had to do was show</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>his license and say he lost the registration. They
issued him a new one</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>for $5, in about 5 minutes. And my actually "title"
was then invalid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>At the time, I was first angry, then kind of mad at
myself. Dad always</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>said "if you can't handle your own problems, I
will". Within a few </FONT><FONT face=Tahoma>years,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>we both recognized that it was a mistake to let our
one-family owned,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>low mileage, rust-free Mustang coupe slip away. But
I also learned not</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>to impose on people, do what I say I'm going to do, and
changed the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>"II" to "Jr."</FONT> <FONT face=Tahoma> ("II"
didn't appear on my license; "Jr." would have).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>====================================================================<BR> John
Dettori
01 Cobra (4.6l 6A
<BR> Sr. Manager
86 SVO (2.3l IT)<BR> KPMG Consulting,
Inc.
70 Mach I (351C-4V)<BR> <A
href="mailto
email redacted)">(email redacted)</A> 67 GT350 (289-4V SC)<BR> 516 298
7072
67 GT Conv (289-4V)<BR></FONT></DIV>
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