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Mail From: Michael 'Moose' Dinn (email redacted)


It would seem to me that those showing a preference would prefer replies to
go TO the list rather than to the originator, so unless someone comes up
with a really good reason (or a fair amount of small unmarked bills), I'm
going to leave the list the way it is.

Sort of along the same lines - would a trailer on the end of each message
saying how to (un)subscribe be welcome?

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Mail From: Michael 'Moose' Dinn (email redacted)


Also, while I'm on a roll, would putting something in the Subject: of each
message like [CM] be of help?


ie. Subject: [CM] Help! my 289 was stolen from under my hood



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Mail From: LeAnne Davis (email redacted)

Michael 'Moose' Dinn wrote:
>
> Sort of along the same lines - would a trailer on the end of each
> message saying how to (un)subscribe be welcome?

a resounding YES....tough, we'd probably still get the occassional "how
do I get off this list?" message....

and, can you also add a prefix to message headers? Several of my other
mailing lists do this & it makes it much easier to decide what I need to
read now & what can be savored later...

LeAnne ('65 Mustang Coupe)
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Configuration Management
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Mail From: Rick Tait (email redacted)

Hell yeh! That'd be awesome. As would the message info footer.

-Rick

On Wednesday, November 13, 1996 3:30 PM, Michael 'Moose' Dinn[SMTPemail redacted)] wrote:
>
> Also, while I'm on a roll, would putting something in the Subject: of each
> message like [CM] be of help?
>
>
> ie. Subject: [CM] Help! my 289 was stolen from under my hood

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Mail From: Edward Chase (email redacted)

Maybe not the end of each message. I was on a listserv once that sent out
this type of message at a regular interval. Once a week, once a month,
something like that. It might be handy for people who seem to have gotten
themselves on the list but can't figure out how to get themselves off.

Good idea, but I vote for not at the end of every message.


At 04:16 PM 11/13/96 -0500, Michael wrote:
>Sort of along the same lines - would a trailer on the end of each message
>saying how to (un)subscribe be welcome?
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Mail From: Scott Hollenbeck (email redacted)

At 01:15 PM 11/13/96 PST, Michael 'Moose' Dinn wrote:
>Sort of along the same lines - would a trailer on the end of each message
>saying how to (un)subscribe be welcome?

Not a bad idea -- when I ran the list I was always having to explain
how to (un)subscribe. Put it on each note and there's a much better
chance that someone will have a copy in their mailbox when they need
it.

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Scott A. Hollenbeck (mailtoemail redacted))
1995 DGGM Impala SS, 1970 428 Cobra Jet Mach 1 Mustang

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Mail From: Ed Humes (email redacted)

Why not run a filter to place all mail to "Multiple recipients of list"
in a separate directory. You can then read them at your discretion. This
obviates the need to add anything to the subject line or header.

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>From: LeAnne Davis[SMTPemail redacted)]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 4:11 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Re: To the List or Not
>
>Michael 'Moose' Dinn wrote:
>>
>> Sort of along the same lines - would a trailer on the end of each
>> message saying how to (un)subscribe be welcome?
>
>a resounding YES....tough, we'd probably still get the occassional "how
>do I get off this list?" message....
>
>and, can you also add a prefix to message headers? Several of my other
>mailing lists do this & it makes it much easier to decide what I need to
>read now & what can be savored later...
>
>LeAnne ('65 Mustang Coupe)
>--
>LeAnne Davis e-mail: (email redacted)
>Configuration Management
>Texas Instruments 972-952-5386
>Std Disclaimer: My opinions are not TI's except by coincidence!
>geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1894/haden.html
>

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Mail From: Ed Humes (email redacted)

I vote for keeping things as they are now. If you've put yourself on the
list you have seen the instructions for removing yourself. There's no
way to idiot proof this system.

I also don't see how adding anything to the subject line, header or
footer will make it better. More does not equal better, I believe in the
K I S S principle.

_________________________________________
Ed Humes
io.com/~edbert
1967 GTA Convertible (PS, PDB, A/C, PT)
1996 Ranger STX 4X4
1997 SVT Cobra (Leather, Mach 460-CD)


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>From: Michael 'Moose' Dinn[SMTPemail redacted)]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 1996 3:32 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Re: To the List or Not
>
>
>Also, while I'm on a roll, would putting something in the Subject: of each
>message like [CM] be of help?
>
>
>ie. Subject: [CM] Help! my 289 was stolen from under my hood
>
>
>
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> Michael 'Moose' Dinn \ Sun Life Skate Canada - LIVE on the Web
> (email redacted) \
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> (902) 481-4524 Voice \
>
> If you own a 1972 Mustang Convertible... I want to hear from you!
>

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Mail From: Michael 'Moose' Dinn (email redacted)

> I vote for keeping things as they are now. If you've put yourself on the
> list you have seen the instructions for removing yourself. There's no
> way to idiot proof this system.

This is true - I think the best thing to do would be to post every other
week an 'administrivia' message regarding the list.


> I also don't see how adding anything to the subject line, header or
> footer will make it better. More does not equal better, I believe in the
> K I S S principle.

I've actually turned this on - if there's a consensus after a week or so
that it isn't liked, I'll remove it.



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Mail From: (email redacted) (email redacted)

I just received this and my inbox subject column included
"[CLASSIC-MUSTANGS:4", not really informative since the author column
already told me it was from classic-mustangs, and I couldn't see any of the
real subject title. I vote no.

Lane Decker
65 C-code hardtop 72 Bronco Sport 94 GT convertible 89 FJ1200

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Mail From: Eric F. Riggert (email redacted)

> I just received this and my inbox subject column included
> "[CLASSIC-MUSTANGS:4", not really informative since the author column
> already told me it was from classic-mustangs, and I couldn't see any of the
> real subject title. I vote no.

I agree with Lane. In Elm (in Unix, reading from a TTY vt320 terminal),
the [Classic-Mustangs...] prefix on the subject line is so long that I
can't actually see the subject. Instead, I think it would be easier on
everybody (with or without mail filters) if the subject prefix was [CM]
as you originally proposed, instead of [Classic-Mustangs...]

Regards,
Eric Riggert, '66 Mustang GT, '88 LX 5.0, '94 Cobra, SCOASCC, SMA
(email redacted)

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Mail From: Sammy (email redacted)

I use Pine and I have no trouble either way. But I thik if you had {cm}
instead of the long addresss it would be better.
-srw

On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Eric F. Riggert wrote:

> > I just received this and my inbox subject column included
> > "[CLASSIC-MUSTANGS:4", not really informative since the author column
> > already told me it was from classic-mustangs, and I couldn't see any of the
> > real subject title. I vote no.
>
> I agree with Lane. In Elm (in Unix, reading from a TTY vt320 terminal),
> the [Classic-Mustangs...] prefix on the subject line is so long that I
> can't actually see the subject. Instead, I think it would be easier on
> everybody (with or without mail filters) if the subject prefix was [CM]
> as you originally proposed, instead of [Classic-Mustangs...]
>
> Regards,
> Eric Riggert, '66 Mustang GT, '88 LX 5.0, '94 Cobra, SCOASCC, SMA
> (email redacted)
>
>

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Mail From: Bryan Fuller (email redacted)

Michael 'Moose' Dinn wrote:
> I've actually turned this on - if there's a consensus after a week or so
> that it isn't liked, I'll remove it.

Ugh.. The header idea is fine, but let it be a simple [CM] instead of
this huge [CLASSIC-MUSTANGSXX] thing... if i'm setup like anyone else
on here, then that huge thing takes up almost all of the subject line
that's viewable without scrolling around... Turn it off...


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Mail From: Bob Moore (email redacted)

enough already! you guy's are doing it again! here goes another coathook
discussion . . . it seems as though the clear majority wanted reply to
list, with some rational way of knowing how to discontinue without harping
every message. this reminds me of a squabble i was in between at the
voter's polls where i worked- a "customer" finally turned around and asked
us to shut up!

ok i'm sorry- but i just got a p/s pump on order, and it is about the last
thing i need to get my '67 gta running, besides mounting and the rims for
my new F70-14 wide ovals- can we stick with hard core mustang talk (non
repetitive- no "riding a dead horse" ;-).

thanks,

-bob moore
vntg-mustang.com

how about a seperate list for those who want to run or influence the list
in one way or another, or _how about a newsgroup_ alt.mustang.argue

On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Bryan Fuller wrote:

> Michael 'Moose' Dinn wrote:
> > I've actually turned this on - if there's a consensus after a week or so
> > that it isn't liked, I'll remove it.
>
> Ugh.. The header idea is fine, but let it be a simple [CM] instead of
> this huge [CLASSIC-MUSTANGSXX] thing... if i'm setup like anyone else
> on here, then that huge thing takes up almost all of the subject line
> that's viewable without scrolling around... Turn it off...
>
>
> --
> L8rz! - Bryan Fuller - www.zipcon.net/~wabba/mustangs.html - '68 "GT351"
>

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Mail From: Eric F. Riggert (email redacted)

<Bob wrote...>
> my new F70-14 wide ovals- can we stick with hard core mustang talk (non
> repetitive- no "riding a dead horse" ;-).

The consensus on this list was that the majority of folks *>DO<* want to
"ride a dead horse" - that's exactly what you are doing when all replies
go to the list. And that's why most lists out there do *not*
automatically reply to the list for everything. It keeps the noise
level down.

I sent my opinion on the "reply to list" thing to the administrator only -
not the list (I figure that he's able to count - no use in all of us
doing it for him...). However, it was clear from the response that the
majority of the current readers of this list want replies directed to
the list, so I will from now on do that. Like now.

> how about a seperate list for those who want to run or influence the list
> in one way or another, or _how about a newsgroup_ alt.mustang.argue

If you all want a newsgroup, fine. The "always reply to newsgroup" idea
is exactly what that type of forum is for. Unfortunately, you have to
deal with lots more "me too" posts and other noise, which makes the amount
of truly useful information to read a much lower percentage of the
total. Also, some readers, especially at large business sites, do not
have access to the rec.* or alt.* hierarchies on Usenet news, so moving
the discussion simply excludes them.

If what you really want is a seperate list, then what you are saying is
that you really *don't* want every useless inanity posted to the
Classic-Mustangs list. Which is just the opposite of recent popular
opinion. We made our bed - now we have to lie in it.

I've been a reader and sometime contributor to this list for most of the
last 6 years, through 4 or 5 administrators. I've seen a lot of people
come and go. I know there are a lot of readers who have a great deal of
information to share (Jeff Speegle, John Dettori, and Walt Boeninger
come to mind immediately). Some of them still post actively here. Some
do not. Some have left the list (not those listed above) over the years
when their patience was worn a bit too thin by new users.

What I propose is that we think a bit here. Do we really want every
post sent to the list? How can we say yes as a group when we are also
complaining about too many responses to little questions like the Coat
Hangar thread?

The Coat Hangar Fiasco (TM) is a great case in point. What most lists
would do is have all responses sent to the person who first asked the
question. This question was obviously important to the originator, or
else it would NOT have been asked. That person would then bunch all the
answers together in one big file and then either post them all at once
(with the headers taken out) or posted a summary. If we never heard
a summary from the original poster with the group answer, somebody would
most likely send that person an email prod asking "what ever happened
to...". And of course, any interested party who was also genuinely
interested in the answer for their own car would also send an email.

<And Bryan wrote...>
> > Ugh.. The header idea is fine, but let it be a simple [CM] instead of
> > this huge [CLASSIC-MUSTANGSXX] thing... if i'm setup like anyone else
> > on here, then that huge thing takes up almost all of the subject line
> > that's viewable without scrolling around... Turn it off...

While I'm up here on my soapbox, I would like to again point out that
for a lot of email programs, a simple prefix like [CM] is indeed useful
for filtering incoming email. [CLASSIC MUSTANGS:xxx] is simply too
long. 'PONY' is nice, but the name should at least be similar to the
list name to keep things simple for folks who are multiple lists. Use
funny brackets around 'CM' (like maybe {CM} or <CM> or #CM# or whatever)
if there are users out there who have a conflict with [CM] for filtering
purposes.

I really appreciate the h*ll that Michael Dinn must be going through to
take this list off of Jeremy Wilson's hands on short notice. The
transition was fairly seemless. He seems to care what we think about
these issues, and solicits our opinions. We respond with a ton of email
with conflicting ideas. What is he to do? I'm happy he's tolerating it
so far. What he should do is think about it; come up with the best
answer (by his standards as admin) and then just *DO* it. Don't ask.
Fix it if there's enough complaint to him personally as admin. (Oh, and
I forgot to mention - most lists have a particular admin address, along
the format of: classic-mustangs-request@<site> so that you don't have
to bug admins at their personal addresses). Then we can spend our time
talking about Mustangs and not list administration.

OK, I'd better shut up while I don my Nomex longjohns.

And one last thing: My '66 Coupe has coathooks on both sides. ;-)

Replies to myself ((email redacted)) or the list welcome.

Regards,
Eric Riggert, '66 Mustang GT, '88 LX 5.0, '94 Cobra, SCOASCC, SMA
(email redacted)
(The opinions expressed herein are mine and not my employers!)