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Mail From: Matt Caliri (email redacted)


I would like to install a T5 in my 67 conv. So I am looking at two
options. At first I was just going to buy a T5 and the normal swap
components from one of the mail order companies, but since I have an
automatic now I will need a lot of parts and I think this could get
really expensive. The other option I have is to buy a friends 85 GT
that has a new clutch and rebuilt trans for $650. The body is in
pretty bad shape and the engine has high miles but it would run well
with a new carb (which I happen to have) and I could swap the entire
drive train into my 67. I believe this would save me money on
modifying the bell housing and buying all the clutch components. I
know I would still need the modified cross member and a few other
components in addition to the actual clutch pedal assembly.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this kind of swap? Are there any
modifications I would need to make in order to swap in an 85 5.0 motor
into a 67 that now has a 289?
Also, does anyone know of a good source for the clutch pedal assembly?

Thanks
Matt Caliri
67 conv 289 C4 (soon to be t5 one way or another)
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Mail From: Dan Leih (email redacted)

(email redacted)%INTERNET wrote:
>
>
> really expensive. The other option I have is to buy a friends 85 GT
> that has a new clutch and rebuilt trans for $650. The body is in
> pretty bad shape and the engine has high miles but it would run well
> with a new carb (which I happen to have) and I could swap the entire
> drive train into my 67. I believe this would save me money on
> modifying the bell housing and buying all the clutch components. I
> know I would still need the modified cross member and a few other
> components in addition to the actual clutch pedal assembly.
> Does anyone have any thoughts on this kind of swap? Are there any
> modifications I would need to make in order to swap in an 85 5.0 motor
> into a 67 that now has a 289?
> Also, does anyone know of a good source for the clutch pedal assembly?

Matt, the T5+5.0L assy will drop right in if you buy the crossmember. You will
probably need to enlarge the shifter hole and you may need to shorten the
drive shaft a tad. The yoke will work if it's good.

For a pedal haunt the junk yards. Mr. Fomoco probably has one. You will need
to buy the clutch/brake assembly. Make sure you get the right brake pedal (power-vs-manual).

The real trick is the clutch. New clutchs are pull types, old ones are push
types. Conventional linkage won't work on the new bellhousing. Hydraulic is
one of the few options for old car new bellhousing but see what the list says.
Like anything it is reasonable $ if you provide a lot of sweat and effort, a
lot of $ if you buy it ready to go.

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Mail From: RON MEYER (email redacted)

> Matt, the T5+5.0L assy will drop right in if you buy the crossmember. You will
> probably need to enlarge the shifter hole and you may need to shorten the
> drive shaft a tad. The yoke will work if it's good.

Matt,

A friend of mine installed one in his 67', and he didn't have to enlarge the shifter hole on
his. The yoke will work, but I think he did have his drive shaft shortened.

> The real trick is the clutch. New clutchs are pull types, old ones are push
> types. Conventional linkage won't work on the new bellhousing. Hydraulic is
> one of the few options for old car new bellhousing but see what the list says.
> Like anything it is reasonable $ if you provide a lot of sweat and effort, a
> lot of $ if you buy it ready to go.

Hydraulic would be nice, but nobody one the list seems to know where to find it at. The are
a couple of other alternatives. My friend got a spacer plate from one of the Mustang parts
vendors, to mount the T-5 to an old four speed bellhousing. With this spacer plate, you maintain
the old push type clutch linkage. If you need to know the vendor, I can ask my friend where he
got it. You other option, would be to go with the pull type cable linkage. D. B. Performance can
modify your existing clutch pedal to accept a cable type likage, and they have the cable too.
This way, you can use the existing T-5 bellhousing and clutch fork. I'll have to find the number
at home, if you want to contact DB Performance.
Ron Meyer

68 Mustang Coupe(with bench seat)
84 GT
86 SVO



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Mail From: Todd M (email redacted)

Hi, I've done the T-5 swap into a '68 mustang 3spd. I kept my original 289 and
clutch linkage. I used a late model bellhousing, with a pivot kit I purchased
from California Pony Cars, ~$25. Measure, drill two holes, and mount the spacer
block with early style fulcrum, ~1/2 hour worth of work and alot cheaper than
the early bellhousing + spacer to T-5 alternative.
Swap the late model mustang T-5 yoke onto your early drive shaft. You do not
have to shorten '67-'68 drive shafts for this swap. '65-'66 do have to be
shortened about an inch according to www.webtripper.com .
I used my 3spd. shifter shaft and original boot. I ground the weld off of the
underside of the shifter shaft and removed it's mount. Then hoseclamped it to
the T-5 shifter stub, got it positioned, transfer punched for the two mounting
holes and drilled, ground a flat into the shaft and bolted it onto the stub. I
didn't have to enlarge the shifter hole in the tranny tunnel.
If you use a late model block with early clutch linkage you will need to buy or
make an equalizer pivot bracket for the block since that boss is missing from
the late block casting. The other options didn't make $/time sense for my
situation since I already had the early clutch linkage. The late cable linkage
can be made to work with early pedal modification, but it was pricey ~$300 to
have done. I've heard mention of hydraulic throwout bearings from Saab, T-bird
SC, and Howe racing in Summit catalogs or master/slave setups from late '80s to
? F-150 and Broncos, if you want to do that research and fabrication.
I bought a tranny crossmember and new tranny mount from Windsor-Fox and istalled
those, they were direct bolt-ins.
That's it for the big stuff. The speedometer cable slips right in to the T-5 and
the original neutral safety switch can be wired into the T-5's.
May '97 Super Ford has a list of T-5 specs and the changes over the years.
Factory '85 is listed as World Class 1352-126 265lb/ft with
3.35/1.93/1.29/1.00/0.68 - 3.15r gear ratios

EFI/T-5 swap parts

Windsor-Fox Performance Engineering, 760-946-FUEL, P.O. Box 2683 Apple Valley,
Ca 92307.
California Pony Cars, 1906 Quaker Ridge Place, Ontario, Ca 91761 909-923-2804.
Dark Horse Performance is @ (206) 227-7778, fax (206) 277-3893,
(email redacted), 16617 S.E. 134 Renton, Wa 98059.
Sacramento Mustang
D.B.Performance Engineering (818) 571-7126

The stuff's out there, good
luck.
Todd M.



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