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Mail From: mustang (Brandon Peskin)

Moved the car from the garage to the driveway after installing a new
steering wheel, putting finishing touches on gauges, etc.

I did what I always do after a long sabbatical of work: Pull the
negative battery cable, spray degreaser in the engine compartment,
scrub with a brush and then hose it out. I may have gotten water in
the carburetor during this chore...as I forgot to throw a rag in it
when I used the hose. Not a high pressure hose, and I didn't stand
over the choke plates and pour water in there.

Dry some stuff off (like the places on the intake manifold where
liquids puddle), connect up the battery cable and attempt to start the
engine. Very hard to start, and when it does start the engine stalls
at anything below 1200 RPM. If I hold the engine at 1500 or higher it
seems to be OK. Let go of the gas, it dies. Took a break from starting
it, work on other things, tried to start it again. No dice.

With the plug removed from the ignition coil the starter turns and
turns and turns and I see the electrical arc coming out of the plug
so I've at least validated that the engine turns freely. Plug it back
in...the starter turns the crank a few revolutions and I think the
engine wants to turn over and doesn't. Unplugging, cranking for a bit,
plugging the plug back into the coil a couple of times has yielded a
tremendous backfire complete with black smoke coming out the tail pipes.

I've given up for awhile to let the engine thoroughly cool down.

The coil is VERY hot to the touch. Did I fry the coil? Would water
down the carb cause this?

Ugh, its 100 degrees out too which made for just a fabulous day (not).

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Mail From: dano (Dan O'Reilly)

2 things I would check:

1. Sounds like maybe the coil is a problem. Got a spare (I keep one in my
garage, just in case)?

2. Pull a couple of plugs and see if anything's fouled. Might be worth
pulling all of them, cleaning and gapping them.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
> [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On
> Behalf Of Brandon Peskin
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:48 PM
> To: Dan O'Reilly
> Subject: [CM] ruin the coil? water in the carb?
>
> Moved the car from the garage to the driveway after
> installing a new steering wheel, putting finishing touches on
> gauges, etc.
>
> I did what I always do after a long sabbatical of work: Pull
> the negative battery cable, spray degreaser in the engine
> compartment, scrub with a brush and then hose it out. I may
> have gotten water in the carburetor during this chore...as I
> forgot to throw a rag in it when I used the hose. Not a high
> pressure hose, and I didn't stand over the choke plates and
> pour water in there.
>
> Dry some stuff off (like the places on the intake manifold
> where liquids puddle), connect up the battery cable and
> attempt to start the engine. Very hard to start, and when it
> does start the engine stalls at anything below 1200 RPM. If I
> hold the engine at 1500 or higher it seems to be OK. Let go
> of the gas, it dies. Took a break from starting it, work on
> other things, tried to start it again. No dice.
>
> With the plug removed from the ignition coil the starter
> turns and turns and turns and I see the electrical arc coming
> out of the plug so I've at least validated that the engine
> turns freely. Plug it back in...the starter turns the crank a
> few revolutions and I think the engine wants to turn over and
> doesn't. Unplugging, cranking for a bit, plugging the plug
> back into the coil a couple of times has yielded a tremendous
> backfire complete with black smoke coming out the tail pipes.
>
> I've given up for awhile to let the engine thoroughly cool down.
>
> The coil is VERY hot to the touch. Did I fry the coil? Would
> water down the carb cause this?
>
> Ugh, its 100 degrees out too which made for just a fabulous day (not).
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Mail From: ckelly (raceabilene)

You got the distributor wet. Pull the cap and dry it out good, also
dry the inside with air or WD-40. Should run better after that.

On Jun 27, 2009, at 10:39 PM, "Dan O'Reilly" <dano at process.com> wrote:

> 2 things I would check:
>
> 1. Sounds like maybe the coil is a problem. Got a spare (I keep one
> in my
> garage, just in case)?
>
> 2. Pull a couple of plugs and see if anything's fouled. Might be
> worth
> pulling all of them, cleaning and gapping them.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On
>> Behalf Of Brandon Peskin
>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:48 PM
>> To: Dan O'Reilly
>> Subject: [CM] ruin the coil? water in the carb?
>>
>> Moved the car from the garage to the driveway after
>> installing a new steering wheel, putting finishing touches on
>> gauges, etc.
>>
>> I did what I always do after a long sabbatical of work: Pull
>> the negative battery cable, spray degreaser in the engine
>> compartment, scrub with a brush and then hose it out. I may
>> have gotten water in the carburetor during this chore...as I
>> forgot to throw a rag in it when I used the hose. Not a high
>> pressure hose, and I didn't stand over the choke plates and
>> pour water in there.
>>
>> Dry some stuff off (like the places on the intake manifold
>> where liquids puddle), connect up the battery cable and
>> attempt to start the engine. Very hard to start, and when it
>> does start the engine stalls at anything below 1200 RPM. If I
>> hold the engine at 1500 or higher it seems to be OK. Let go
>> of the gas, it dies. Took a break from starting it, work on
>> other things, tried to start it again. No dice.
>>
>> With the plug removed from the ignition coil the starter
>> turns and turns and turns and I see the electrical arc coming
>> out of the plug so I've at least validated that the engine
>> turns freely. Plug it back in...the starter turns the crank a
>> few revolutions and I think the engine wants to turn over and
>> doesn't. Unplugging, cranking for a bit, plugging the plug
>> back into the coil a couple of times has yielded a tremendous
>> backfire complete with black smoke coming out the tail pipes.
>>
>> I've given up for awhile to let the engine thoroughly cool down.
>>
>> The coil is VERY hot to the touch. Did I fry the coil? Would
>> water down the carb cause this?
>>
>> Ugh, its 100 degrees out too which made for just a fabulous day
>> (not).
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>> Classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
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>>
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>
>
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Mail From: dvliet (Darrel Vliet)

Hello Brandon,

Pull the distributor cap and wipe the inside of it with a clean dry rag or
paper towel. You may have gotten moisture in it when you hosed down the
engine.
Moisture in the cap will make hard to start and cause a low RPM miss or not
start at all.
Since you have already have had the engine started and running I would say
that the water down the carb did not do any harm. In fact you can pour water
in the carb when the engine is running, warmed up, and keeping the RPMs up
and all it will do is clean the combustion chambers.

Darrel Vliet
Port Orchard, WA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Peskin" <mustang at peskin.org>
To: "Darrel Vliet" <dvliet at nwinet.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:48 PM
Subject: [CM] ruin the coil? water in the carb?


> Moved the car from the garage to the driveway after installing a new
> steering wheel, putting finishing touches on gauges, etc.
>
> I did what I always do after a long sabbatical of work: Pull the
> negative battery cable, spray degreaser in the engine compartment,
> scrub with a brush and then hose it out. I may have gotten water in
> the carburetor during this chore...as I forgot to throw a rag in it
> when I used the hose. Not a high pressure hose, and I didn't stand
> over the choke plates and pour water in there.
>
> Dry some stuff off (like the places on the intake manifold where
> liquids puddle), connect up the battery cable and attempt to start the
> engine. Very hard to start, and when it does start the engine stalls
> at anything below 1200 RPM. If I hold the engine at 1500 or higher it
> seems to be OK. Let go of the gas, it dies. Took a break from starting
> it, work on other things, tried to start it again. No dice.
>
> With the plug removed from the ignition coil the starter turns and
> turns and turns and I see the electrical arc coming out of the plug
> so I've at least validated that the engine turns freely. Plug it back
> in...the starter turns the crank a few revolutions and I think the
> engine wants to turn over and doesn't. Unplugging, cranking for a bit,
> plugging the plug back into the coil a couple of times has yielded a
> tremendous backfire complete with black smoke coming out the tail pipes.
>
> I've given up for awhile to let the engine thoroughly cool down.
>
> The coil is VERY hot to the touch. Did I fry the coil? Would water
> down the carb cause this?
>
> Ugh, its 100 degrees out too which made for just a fabulous day (not).
> _______________________________________________
> Classic-mustangs mailing list
> Classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
> lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/classic-mustangs
>
> Visit the Classic Mustang Wiki! sauce.donair.org/~cm/

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Mail From: mahilly (Mike H)

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 9:57 PM, raceabilene <ckelly at raceabilene.com> wrote:

> You got the distributor wet. Pull the cap and dry it out good
>
>
Agree!!! This happens to me ever time I clean my engine.
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Mail From: mustang (Brandon Peskin)

That was the problem. Thanks all! Dried it out, and it started right
up. Everything is working as-advertised with the gauge cluster except
somewhere in my travels I screwed up the turn signals. Three steps
forward, 1 step back is always how it is with this car. Sigh.


On Jun 27, 2009, at 9:57 PM, raceabilene wrote:

> You got the distributor wet. Pull the cap and dry it out good, also
> dry the inside with air or WD-40. Should run better after that.