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Hi All,

Has any one converted their car from power steering to manual steering using
the "Power Steering Conversion Adapter" that is in all the parts supplier
catalogs for ~$150.00??? Has it improved steering "tightness"??

I have been struggling with the power steering for years. I replaced the
original steering box with a rebuilt one which helped. But within 18 months
it was shot. I just replaced that box with a new steering box from Flaming
River. Huge improvement but when the engine compartment gets hot (289
w/headers) the steering loosens up quite a bit. On a recent trip out to Palm
Springs (105 degree weather) the car would get "blown" across the lane when
I'd pass a truck. When the car is "cool" the steering doesn't feel loose at
all.

Any and all help is greatly appreciated!!
Thanks,
\Craig '67 Conv't

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Mail From: Chris Stephens (email redacted)

Just a thought, I've never done it myself but couldn't you put a
transmission cooler in the low pressure line? I've known of 4x4 guys doing
this because of the extra pressure needed to turn those big tires. A friends
camero has one also.


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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 1:08 PM
Subject: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"


> Hi All,
>
> Has any one converted their car from power steering to manual steering
using
> the "Power Steering Conversion Adapter" that is in all the parts supplier
> catalogs for ~$150.00??? Has it improved steering "tightness"??
>
> I have been struggling with the power steering for years. I replaced the
> original steering box with a rebuilt one which helped. But within 18
months
> it was shot. I just replaced that box with a new steering box from
Flaming
> River. Huge improvement but when the engine compartment gets hot (289
> w/headers) the steering loosens up quite a bit. On a recent trip out to
Palm
> Springs (105 degree weather) the car would get "blown" across the lane
when
> I'd pass a truck. When the car is "cool" the steering doesn't feel loose
at
> all.
>
> Any and all help is greatly appreciated!!
> Thanks,
> \Craig '67 Conv't
>
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In a message dated 6/25/00 5:18:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
(email redacted) writes:

<< Just a thought, I've never done it myself but couldn't you put a
transmission cooler in the low pressure line? I've known of 4x4 guys doing
this because of the extra pressure needed to turn those big tires. A friends
camero has one also. >>

Just for your info, my 69 Galaxie has power steering and has a small finned
cooler attached to the low pressure return line. It's attached to the AC
unit and I'm sure that it serves it purpose well, especially since the lines
are just inches away from the exhaust manifold.

Vaughn Tanner
69 Galaxie 500 Convertible
65 Mustang Convertible
FGCofA, LoveFords

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(email redacted) wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/25/00 5:18:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> (email redacted) writes:
>
> << Just a thought, I've never done it myself but couldn't you put a
> transmission cooler in the low pressure line? I've known of 4x4 guys doing
> this because of the extra pressure needed to turn those big tires. A friends
> camero has one also. >>
>

Power steering coolers are more common on late model 5.0's that see open
track duty. The constant high RPM's and strain causes them to puke their
fluid.
</start random guess>
I don't think that will help our original poster though, cause I think
his problem is in the box itself, not the pump or ram. the box sits
right next to the exhaust manifold and tubing or headers. As the motor
runs longer, the grease in the box gets heated up and thins out,
loosening the gears up just a touch.
</end random guess/>

What do Ya'll think? Way off base?

Marcus
Rohnert Park, CA
geocities.com/fordracing68
68 Mustang entombed in the bodyshop <-- was fighting the same thing

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Power to Manual Steering?

I've often thought of going the other way. I now have the standard manual
steering, but at speeds the steering is very indirect and sloppy and around
town that half a dozen turns to lock just doesn't cut it. Is the original
power steering good or is there a lot of slop there too? What is the turn
ratio of both?

Joel Stobbe
Munich Germany
65 Mustang Coupe
50 Mercury Pickup


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Mail From: Ryan LeBlanc (email redacted)

Good luck with the 65 Power Steering conversion. I have power steering in
my 65, and am trying to get it working. Ford was brilliant in 1965, and
made the Control Valve part of the main center link. This makes it nearly
impossible to buy a new/rebuilt unit. The cheapest I have found is $250
with a $300 core deposit. OUCH. Is it possible to put a 66 or later
centerlink/control valve into a 65? I would really like to convert to rack
an pinion, but that is about $1500. HAHA.

Ryan LeBlanc
Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd

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From: "Joel Stobbe" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 10:52 PM
Subject: RE: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"


>
> Power to Manual Steering?
>
> I've often thought of going the other way. I now have the standard manual
> steering, but at speeds the steering is very indirect and sloppy and
around
> town that half a dozen turns to lock just doesn't cut it. Is the original
> power steering good or is there a lot of slop there too? What is the turn
> ratio of both?
>
> Joel Stobbe
> Munich Germany
> 65 Mustang Coupe
> 50 Mercury Pickup
>
>
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Mail From: Wal Marshall (email redacted)

Craig,

Huge improvement but when the engine compartment gets hot (289
> > w/headers) the steering loosens up quite a bit. On a recent trip out to
> Palm
> > Springs (105 degree weather) the car would get "blown" across the lane
> when
> > I'd pass a truck. When the car is "cool" the steering doesn't feel
loose
> at

My car has manual steer, but Ive driven both. I definitely prefer manual
for a car used mainly on highway use, but it is very heavy round the parking
lots. I would only convert to power as a rack and pinion conversion.

If the headers are cooking the grease in your steering box, what about a
heat shield of some suitable material around the box, or around the nearest
header pipe?

Cheers

Wal Marshall
Wellington New Zealand
70 351C 4V Fastback






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Mail From: Carlos Rigdon (email redacted)

Auto Zone has the 65 control valve for less than 100.00 I got one there
a month ago it works perfect. The ordered it and i got in in two days

Joel Stobbe wrote:
>
> Power to Manual Steering?
>
> I've often thought of going the other way. I now have the standard manual
> steering, but at speeds the steering is very indirect and sloppy and around
> town that half a dozen turns to lock just doesn't cut it. Is the original
> power steering good or is there a lot of slop there too? What is the turn
> ratio of both?
>
> Joel Stobbe
> Munich Germany
> 65 Mustang Coupe
> 50 Mercury Pickup
>
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Mail From: Ryan LeBlanc (email redacted)

Did it include the complete center link at that price? WOW!!! That is a
great price.

Ryan LeBlanc
Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Rigdon" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"


> Auto Zone has the 65 control valve for less than 100.00 I got one there
> a month ago it works perfect. The ordered it and i got in in two days
>
> Joel Stobbe wrote:
> >
> > Power to Manual Steering?
> >
> > I've often thought of going the other way. I now have the standard
manual
> > steering, but at speeds the steering is very indirect and sloppy and
around
> > town that half a dozen turns to lock just doesn't cut it. Is the
original
> > power steering good or is there a lot of slop there too? What is the
turn
> > ratio of both?
> >
> > Joel Stobbe
> > Munich Germany
> > 65 Mustang Coupe
> > 50 Mercury Pickup
> >
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>
>
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It was just the Control valve the part that screws onto the center link
and attached to the pitman arm but it was less than half what the
Mustang places wanted for the same part. The part # is Atsco Rebuilt
6652


Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
>
> Did it include the complete center link at that price? WOW!!! That is a
> great price.
>
> Ryan LeBlanc
> Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
> 1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
> 1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlos Rigdon" <(email redacted)>
> To: <(email redacted)>
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"
>
> > Auto Zone has the 65 control valve for less than 100.00 I got one there
> > a month ago it works perfect. The ordered it and i got in in two days
> >
> > Joel Stobbe wrote:
> > >
> > > Power to Manual Steering?
> > >
> > > I've often thought of going the other way. I now have the standard
> manual
> > > steering, but at speeds the steering is very indirect and sloppy and
> around
> > > town that half a dozen turns to lock just doesn't cut it. Is the
> original
> > > power steering good or is there a lot of slop there too? What is the
> turn
> > > ratio of both?
> > >
> > > Joel Stobbe
> > > Munich Germany
> > > 65 Mustang Coupe
> > > 50 Mercury Pickup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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That is the thing. On my 65, the control valve is part of the center link.
It is not attached with screws. That is why it is so expensive. I wonder
if ford had two different parts they used in 65.

Ryan LeBlanc
Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Rigdon" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"


> It was just the Control valve the part that screws onto the center link
> and attached to the pitman arm but it was less than half what the
> Mustang places wanted for the same part. The part # is Atsco Rebuilt
> 6652
>
>
> Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
> >
> > Did it include the complete center link at that price? WOW!!! That is a
> > great price.
> >
> > Ryan LeBlanc
> > Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
> > 1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
> > 1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlos Rigdon" <(email redacted)>
> > To: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"
> >
> > > Auto Zone has the 65 control valve for less than 100.00 I got one
there
> > > a month ago it works perfect. The ordered it and i got in in two days
> > >
> > > Joel Stobbe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Power to Manual Steering?
> > > >
> > > > I've often thought of going the other way. I now have the standard
> > manual
> > > > steering, but at speeds the steering is very indirect and sloppy and
> > around
> > > > town that half a dozen turns to lock just doesn't cut it. Is the
> > original
> > > > power steering good or is there a lot of slop there too? What is
the
> > turn
> > > > ratio of both?
> > > >
> > > > Joel Stobbe
> > > > Munich Germany
> > > > 65 Mustang Coupe
> > > > 50 Mercury Pickup
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
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That is the thing. On my 65, the control valve is part of the center link.
It is not attached with screws. That is why it is so expensive. I wonder
if ford had two different parts they used in 65.

Ryan LeBlanc
Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Rigdon" <(email redacted)>
To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"


> It was just the Control valve the part that screws onto the center link
> and attached to the pitman arm but it was less than half what the
> Mustang places wanted for the same part. The part # is Atsco Rebuilt
> 6652
>
>
> Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
> >
> > Did it include the complete center link at that price? WOW!!! That is a
> > great price.
> >
> > Ryan LeBlanc
> > Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
> > 1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
> > 1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carlos Rigdon" <(email redacted)>
> > To: <(email redacted)>
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"
> >
> > > Auto Zone has the 65 control valve for less than 100.00 I got one
there
> > > a month ago it works perfect. The ordered it and i got in in two days
> > >
> > > Joel Stobbe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Power to Manual Steering?
> > > >
> > > > I've often thought of going the other way. I now have the standard
> > manual
> > > > steering, but at speeds the steering is very indirect and sloppy and
> > around
> > > > town that half a dozen turns to lock just doesn't cut it. Is the
> > original
> > > > power steering good or is there a lot of slop there too? What is
the
> > turn
> > > > ratio of both?
> > > >
> > > > Joel Stobbe
> > > > Munich Germany
> > > > 65 Mustang Coupe
> > > > 50 Mercury Pickup
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
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Are you sure that the control valve and the center link are one piece If
it is I have not ever seen one of those. All the ones I have seen is
threaded and screws over the threads on the end of the center link. you
have to remove the pin to remove it. Can you send a picture of it !!!!

Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
>
> That is the thing. On my 65, the control valve is part of the center link.
> It is not attached with screws. That is why it is so expensive. I wonder
> if ford had two different parts they used in 65.
>
> Ryan LeBlanc
> Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
> 1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
> 1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd
>
>

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I am pretty sure, as I have cleaned it all off, and can't find a place it
disconnects from. I put some pics up on my website. If you all could take
a look, maybe it is some sort of aftermarket thing someone added to the car.
It looks pretty original though. Here is the address:

209.15.71.160/mustang/

Thanks

Ryan LeBlanc
Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd

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To: <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [CM] Power to Manual Steering "Conversion"


> Are you sure that the control valve and the center link are one piece If
> it is I have not ever seen one of those. All the ones I have seen is
> threaded and screws over the threads on the end of the center link. you
> have to remove the pin to remove it. Can you send a picture of it !!!!
>
> Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
> >
> > That is the thing. On my 65, the control valve is part of the center
link.
> > It is not attached with screws. That is why it is so expensive. I
wonder
> > if ford had two different parts they used in 65.
> >
> > Ryan LeBlanc
> > Hacienda Heights, CA, USA
> > 1965 Mustang Coupe, Metallic Blue, 289, C4 - auto, Pony Int.
> > 1997 Dodge Dakota, Club Cab, Black, 4x2, 318, 5spd
> >
> >
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Ryan LeBlanc wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure, as I have cleaned it all off, and can't find a place it
> disconnects from. I put some pics up on my website. If you all could take
> a look, maybe it is some sort of aftermarket thing someone added to the car.
> It looks pretty original though. Here is the address:
>
> 209.15.71.160/mustang/
>
I would tend to think its original as in all the parts catalogs I have
ever seen, the 65-66 centerlink always includes the control valve,
unlike the 67-69's...

Marcus Miller
Rohnert Park, CA
AIM: Pielzner; Jfax: 801-218-6984
geocities.com/fordracing68
68 Mustang blah blah blah....

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