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Mail From: Bell, William E. (LNG) (email redacted)

Okay, I'm sure someone out here has went through the same
thing I'm going through right now with the guy/shop painting
my 66 Mustang. It's is still there, in pieces, after 6 months
when it was promised to take no more than 3 months. The
guy does his insurance work first, which I completely understand,
but he hasn't touched my car in 2 months, and keeps telling
me; 'next week, we have to hand the door and fender, block it... I'd
say we are ready to paint next Thursday'. Well, when Thursday
rolls around, you guessed it, the car has not been touched.

I very politely expressed my concern and disappointment to him
last week, but I don't think it did any good. To top it off, he told
me from the beginning that it would be done by September. I'm
getting married in September and wanted to drive off from the
reception in the car.

Anyone have suggestions on how to get this guy motivated to
finish my car? I've already discussed the amount of 'free' advertisement
he would get from me, and that it was up to him how positive or
negative that advertisement would be.


Thanks!
Wil

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Mail From: Scott Hall (email redacted)

take it back. show up with a flatbed/trailer and a friend and load up
your car. if he brings up payment, laugh. either you end up with your
car back to take elsewhere, or he finishes *real* quick.

I did this and I never actually had to move a part, he got the idea.

scott

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Bell, William E. (LNG) wrote:

> Anyone have suggestions on how to get this guy motivated to
> finish my car? I've already discussed the amount of 'free' advertisement
> he would get from me, and that it was up to him how positive or
> negative that advertisement would be.

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Mail From: Neil (email redacted)


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>From: "Bell, William E. (LNG)" <(email redacted)>
>To: "'(email redacted)'"
<(email redacted)>
>Subject: [CM] Paint shop woes...
>Date: Fri, Aug 18, 2000, 8:43 AM
>

>
> Okay, I'm sure someone out here has went through the same
> thing I'm going through right now with the guy/shop painting
> my 66 Mustang. It's is still there, in pieces, after 6 months
> when it was promised to take no more than 3 months. The

Walt's Mustang in Nashville?? I had to hijack my '67 coupe from his shop
last Christmas eve. I had it there in October, he said "Wednesday" - the
catch being he didn't say WHAT wednesday.......

Neil

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Mail From: Bell, William E. (LNG) (email redacted)

The place is called Bodywerks and they are located in Springboro Ohio.

Thank you to all who have responded up to now. At this point I have paid
him a little over half of what the total cost should be. After 6 months,
with
two months of empty promises, I don't feel comfortable having to entice
him with money to finish the job. He should 'want' to finish this job in
order
to satisfy a customer. I think I'll give him a couple more weeks and if
the situation has not changed, I'll take the trailer down and haul it out of

there. I'm not sure if there will be any legal ramifications (we had a
contract,
but no agreed upon finish date) but I'll get with my lawyer to figure it
out.


In any case, Bodywerks in Springboro and Beavercreek Ohio, I'd stay away
from them.


Thanks!
Wil






> ----------
> >From: "Bell, William E. (LNG)" <(email redacted)>
> >To: "'(email redacted)'"
> <(email redacted)>
> >Subject: [CM] Paint shop woes...
> >Date: Fri, Aug 18, 2000, 8:43 AM
> >
>
> >
> > Okay, I'm sure someone out here has went through the same
> > thing I'm going through right now with the guy/shop painting
> > my 66 Mustang. It's is still there, in pieces, after 6 months
> > when it was promised to take no more than 3 months. The
>
> Walt's Mustang in Nashville?? I had to hijack my '67 coupe from his shop
> last Christmas eve. I had it there in October, he said "Wednesday" - the
> catch being he didn't say WHAT wednesday.......
>
> Neil
>
>
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Will, What do you have in writing? You did sign and receive a
contract/service agreement didn't you. I assume we're
talking about thousands of dollars right?.

This is a tough one, are you getting a super great deal on
his top notch quality work? If that's the case, you might just
write if off as 'stuff happens' and wait. You could ask him
what sort of work you can do, sanding, cleaning, disassembling,
parts to help speed the project along. I'd also drop by more
often too.

If he's just some guy w/ a paint gun. I'd refer to your contract
or as the other poster suggested, show up w/ a rollback.

If you pull the car out, you might get stuck paying for
labor that he 'says' he has in it. If you get too nasty
and start demanding, well, that might be as smart as
complaining to the cook in a restaurant before your food
gets served.

Good Luck.
Randy Siwik '70 Mach 1 351W 4V 4-speed
Central Ohio




"Bell, William E. (LNG)" wrote:

> Okay, I'm sure someone out here has went through the same
> thing I'm going through right now with the guy/shop painting
> my 66 Mustang. It's is still there, in pieces, after 6 months
> when it was promised to take no more than 3 months.

> Anyone have suggestions on how to get this guy motivated to
> finish my car?
>
> Thanks!
> Wil
>
>

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<br>Will, What do you have in writing?&nbsp;&nbsp; You did sign and receive
a
<br>contract/service agreement didn't you.&nbsp; I assume we're
<br>talking about thousands of dollars right?.
<p>This is a tough one, are you getting a super great deal on
<br>his top notch quality work?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If that's the case, you
might just
<br>write if off as 'stuff happens' and wait.&nbsp; You could ask him
<br>what sort of work you can do, sanding, cleaning, disassembling,
<br>parts to help speed the project along.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'd also drop by
more
<br>often too.
<p>If he's just some guy w/ a paint gun. I'd refer to your contract
<br>or as the other poster suggested, show up w/ a rollback.
<p>If you pull the car out, you might get stuck paying for
<br>labor that he 'says' he has in it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you get too
nasty
<br>and start demanding, well, that might be as smart as
<br>complaining to the cook in a restaurant before your food
<br>gets served.
<p>Good Luck.
<br>Randy Siwik&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '70 Mach 1 351W 4V 4-speed
<br>Central Ohio
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;
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<p>"Bell, William E. (LNG)" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Okay, I'm sure someone out here has went through
the same
<br>thing I'm going through right now with the guy/shop painting
<br>my 66 Mustang.&nbsp; It's is still there, in pieces, after 6 months
<br>when it was promised to take no more than 3 months.</blockquote>

<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Anyone have suggestions on how to get this guy motivated
to
<br>finish my car?
<p>Thanks!
<br>Wil
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An establishment that I deal with from time (that shall remain nameless) has a
GT500 that has been stripped to the unibody and primed and has been waiting
for
paint since 1991. Granted, there are some extenuating circumstances that are
not entirely the fault of the business, but still...

This is part of the reason I have waited so long to get my coupe painted. I
don't know if I could put up with the frustration of having it in paint jail
for a year or more.

Nate


At 13:41 18/08/00 -0400, Randy Siwik wrote:
>
>
> Will, What do you have in writing? You did sign and receive a
> contract/service agreement didn't you. I assume we're
> talking about thousands of dollars right?.
>
> This is a tough one, are you getting a super great deal on
> his top notch quality work? If that's the case, you might just
> write if off as 'stuff happens' and wait. You could ask him
> what sort of work you can do, sanding, cleaning, disassembling,
> parts to help speed the project along. I'd also drop by more
> often too.
>
> If he's just some guy w/ a paint gun. I'd refer to your contract
> or as the other poster suggested, show up w/ a rollback.
>
> If you pull the car out, you might get stuck paying for
> labor that he 'says' he has in it. If you get too nasty
> and start demanding, well, that might be as smart as
> complaining to the cook in a restaurant before your food
> gets served.
>
> Good Luck.
> Randy Siwik '70 Mach 1 351W 4V 4-speed
> Central Ohio
>
>
>
>
> "Bell, William E. (LNG)" wrote:
>>
>> Okay, I'm sure someone out here has went through the same
>> thing I'm going through right now with the guy/shop painting
>> my 66 Mustang. It's is still there, in pieces, after 6 months
>> when it was promised to take no more than 3 months.
>> Anyone have suggestions on how to get this guy motivated to
>> finish my car?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Wil
>>
>>
>




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An establishment that I deal with from time (that shall remain nameless)
has a GT500 that has been stripped to the unibody and primed and has been
waiting for paint since 1991.&nbsp; Granted, there are some extenuating
circumstances that are not entirely the fault of the business, but
still...<br>
<br>
This is part of the reason I have waited so long to get my coupe
painted.&nbsp; I don't know if I could put up with the frustration of
having it in paint jail for a year or more.<br>
<br>
Nate<br>
<br>
<br>
At 13:41 18/08/00 -0400, Randy Siwik wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>&nbsp; <br>
Will, What do you have in writing?&nbsp;&nbsp; You did sign and receive a
<br>
contract/service agreement didn't you.&nbsp; I assume we're <br>
talking about thousands of dollars right?. <br>
<br>
This is a tough one, are you getting a super great deal on <br>
his top notch quality work?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If that's the case, you
might just <br>
write if off as 'stuff happens' and wait.&nbsp; You could ask him <br>
what sort of work you can do, sanding, cleaning, disassembling, <br>
parts to help speed the project along.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'd also drop by more
<br>
often too. <br>
<br>
If he's just some guy w/ a paint gun. I'd refer to your contract <br>
or as the other poster suggested, show up w/ a rollback. <br>
<br>
If you pull the car out, you might get stuck paying for <br>
labor that he 'says' he has in it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you get too nasty
<br>
and start demanding, well, that might be as smart as <br>
complaining to the cook in a restaurant before your food <br>
gets served. <br>
<br>
Good Luck. <br>
Randy Siwik&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; '70 Mach 1 351W 4V 4-speed
<br>
Central Ohio <br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; <br>
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&quot;Bell, William E. (LNG)&quot; wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Okay, I'm sure someone out here has went
through the same <br>
thing I'm going through right now with the guy/shop painting <br>
my 66 Mustang.&nbsp; It's is still there, in pieces, after 6 months
<br>
when it was promised to take no more than 3 months.<br>
Anyone have suggestions on how to get this guy motivated to <br>
finish my car? <br>
<br>
Thanks! <br>
Wil <br>
&nbsp; <br>
</blockquote></blockquote><br>
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Mail From: John Dettori (email redacted)

Bell, William E. (LNG) wrote:
>
> [...] guy/shop painting my 66 Mustang. It's is still there, in pieces,
> after 6 months when it was promised to take no more than 3 months [...]
> he hasn't touched my car in 2 months, and keeps telling me; 'next week
> [...] I very politely expressed my concern and disappointment to him
> last week, but I don't think it did any good [...] Anyone have suggestions
> on how to get this guy motivated to finish my car? [...]

Wil, we all feel your pain. This is why I want to paint my own car.
Just to let you know:
- My '67 GT350 had paint & body work done by a high dollar nationally
know Mustang restoration shop (Randy D'Alessio's Super Stang in
Rochester, NY) - $12,000! The previous owner drove 400 miles 4 times,
because the 3-month paint job, took 14 months! That's a $12,000
attitude. And that was 10 years ago.

- My '86 SVO got Maaco's Ambasador Service (the most expensive paint job
they offer), including a machine sand to primer (except the roof, deck
lid, and hood which were stripped to bare metal). The 2-week job in
June '98 took 5-weeks to finish. I made them re-do the car because I
was unhappy with the finish, and of course, I wouldn't pay until I was
satisfied. Which took until February '99, but it looked great. Until
March, when rust came back in the door-window frames, which they promptly
re-painted over the next week. Except when they sanded the paint off the
windows frames, they were careless with the sander, deeply scratching
the roof and doors, which took another 4 weeks, and they still didn't
remove the scratches. And now 27 months later, the paint that looked
great is chipping off at an alarming rate. All this aggrevation for
only $1,100 and a worthless warranty.

- 2 local body shops I went to with my 70 Mach I took one look, and said
"Nope. We do insurance work, and have no time for a perfectionist".

- Since I had no luck with high-$ restoration shops, medium sized collision
shops, & small shops, I figured I'd try an ex-restoration shop owner,
who working out of his home has painted several award-winning Mustangs.
He welded the floors in my convertible, primed it, and we worked out a
deal where I'd sub-let him garage space ($100/month) for his 70 Cougar
Eliminator (Boss 302), buy all the paint & materials, and in lieu of
rent, he'd paint my car. After 37 months, I wish I took the cash, be-
cause the car's still in primer. It turns out, he'd rather play volley-
ball on the beach than paint. When I complained to him, he towed his
car out of my garage, and said he'd give me a call when he had the time
to paint the car. I'm still waiting.

You asked how to motivate the painter? Nothing short of a law suite is
going to persuade the painter, unless you know my cousin Guido. And the
law suite won't work unless you have a written or verifyable verbal con-
tract, a whole lot of time, and a stomach for aggrevation.

I really wish there were more do-it-yourself-type places, or colleges,
high-schools, vocational schools, etc. that would let you paint your own
car. I know that I'm gonna windup spending alot on a big house on a large
lot, so I could build my dream garage, and restore my car. The cost of the
garage, tools, materials, autobody & painting courses will probably cost
just as much as a high quality paint job, but at least I get it done right
and have the satisfaction and sense of accomplishment that comes with doing
it yourself. IMHO.

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John Dettori 86 SVO (2.3l IC Turbo)
Manager, KPMG, LLP 70 Mach I (351C-4V)
212 954 7383 67 GT Convert (289-4V)
(email redacted) 67 Shelby GT350 (289 SC)

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Mail From: Stevan Vlaovic (email redacted)

> I really wish there were more do-it-yourself-type places, or colleges,
> high-schools, vocational schools, etc. that would let you paint your own

There are!! Right now, I am in Ann Arbor MI and am attending Washtenaw
Community College. They have everything there. I used a frame
straightener, MIG welders, enclosed sandblasting booth, sandblasters,
plasma cutters, and all the assorted air tools. Impact drivers, air
hammers, air file (this thing rules!), DAs, cutoff wheels, grinders are
some of the compressed air tools I have used.

Most importantly, they have a downdraft booth. Along with good
preparation, a downdraft booth is key to a good paintjob. You can even
bake the car in these booths.

If you are interested, you can see the car at
eecs.umich.edu/~vlaovic/personal/car/car.html

I still need to put an extra coat of clear, but it turned out pretty
well. I replaced the passenger quarter, the trunk floor, and the trunk
dropoffs. I even leaded portions of the gap.


> car. I know that I'm gonna windup spending alot on a big house on a large
> lot, so I could build my dream garage, and restore my car. The cost of the
> garage, tools, materials, autobody & painting courses will probably cost
> just as much as a high quality paint job, but at least I get it done right
> and have the satisfaction and sense of accomplishment that comes with doing
> it yourself. IMHO.

Right on! Besides, most of the time, I actually enjoy it. There's
nothing like the satisfaction of doing it yourself. Besides, when I look
at other "restored" cars, I know exactly what the restorer did right...or
wrong.

-stevan

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I haven't posted in quite a while, but I have been reading the paint shop woes
thread and really sympathizing.
Last October I wrote about my daughters and I getting rear ended at 35 mph while
at a stop in my red 1965 2+2.

All said and done, I am extremely pleased with the work that my friend and body
shop owner did on the car (Nisan Auto Collision in Las Vegas, Nevada. He
rebuilt the car from the back window towards the rear, sanded the whole car down
and repainted the car rangoon red and polished it so nice, it glows practically.
He apologized for the job "not being show quality" because of my time
constraint, but it has been in a show since with rave reviews. This whole
process took $10,000 (mostly rebuilding work) and two months. He also has
called on a regular monthly basis to follow up on customer service to see if I'm
still happy with the car and if there's anything that needs touch up. This is
the second car I've had him do and I will not take my cars to anyone else.

So there still are some professionals out there who take pride in their work
possess a good work ethic. I guess it just takes some, well o.k., alot of
looking but once you find a good and timely body man, you won't go far from him.

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Mail From: Bell, William E. (LNG) (email redacted)

Nice to hear that you were well taken care of! I definitely believe
good, honest, timely body/paint shops are hard to find. I 'thought'
I had found one, but obviously I haven't.

I did get a call from the gentleman painting the car. They are currently
edging in the new body panels and have the rest of the car taped off.
So my little chat with him either helped motivate him, or last week
was a slow week for car accidents (which is a good thing).

Thanks again to all who replied with their suggestions and stories.

Wil
66' 289 4speed - stranded at the paint shop
69' 351 Sportroof - waiting patiently for some attention.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted) [SMTPemail redacted)]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 12:56 PM
> To: (email redacted)
> Subject: Re: [CM] Re: Paint shop woes...
>
>
>
> I haven't posted in quite a while, but I have been reading the paint shop
> woes
> thread and really sympathizing.
> Last October I wrote about my daughters and I getting rear ended at 35 mph
> while
> at a stop in my red 1965 2+2.
>
> All said and done, I am extremely pleased with the work that my friend and
> body
> shop owner did on the car (Nisan Auto Collision in Las Vegas, Nevada. He
> rebuilt the car from the back window towards the rear, sanded the whole
> car down
> and repainted the car rangoon red and polished it so nice, it glows
> practically.
> He apologized for the job "not being show quality" because of my time
> constraint, but it has been in a show since with rave reviews. This whole
> process took $10,000 (mostly rebuilding work) and two months. He also has
> called on a regular monthly basis to follow up on customer service to see
> if I'm
> still happy with the car and if there's anything that needs touch up.
> This is
> the second car I've had him do and I will not take my cars to anyone else.
>
> So there still are some professionals out there who take pride in their
> work
> possess a good work ethic. I guess it just takes some, well o.k., alot of
> looking but once you find a good and timely body man, you won't go far
> from him.
>
>
>
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