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MessageWal, I have no personal experience with any of the options you
mentioned but I did read an article written by Dave Grainger who runs a high
end restoration facility near Toronto Canada.

His article was based on him seeing the results of the use of these car
"bags". He said they produce an ideal environment for mold and fungus with
disastrous damage to the vehicles soft parts.

Good luck with your purchase. Personally, I would go with a climate
controlled garage like the kind I built for my Mustangs.

Paul
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[mailto sad smiley

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Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:02 AM
To: (email redacted)
Subject: [CM] Of bubbles, coccons and car bags

As I'm about to spend an unmentionable amount of $ on a Boss 429, which is
in pristine rust free condition, Im considering ways to keep it that way.

Ive always scoffed at stories of special car bags, but as i live in a
damp, humid and slightly salty envoronment, Im rethinking that position!

Looking on the net I see car cocoons (cover impregnated with special
antirust vapouriser), air bubbles filled with filtered air continuously
pumped in, and car bags, which seal moisture out and use an internal
desicant to strip any excess moisture from inside the enclosure.

These options all vary considerably in price etc. Does anyone have any
experience with any of them, and any recommendation re brand etc.

At the moment im inclined to go for the "Car Jacket" as the least cost vs
best construction vs performance vs expece\ted life compromise at around
$230. www.carbag.com. This is the seal and remove moisture option, with the
desicant being resueable after drying in an oven.

Any thoughts welcome

Regards

Wal Marshall

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size=3D2>Wal, I=20
have no personal experience with any of the options you mentioned but I =
did read=20
an article written by Dave Grainger who runs a high end restoration =
facility=20
near Toronto Canada.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>His=20
article was based on him seeing the results of the use of these car =
"bags". He=20
said they produce an ideal environment for mold and fungus with =
disastrous=20
damage to the vehicles soft parts.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Good=20
luck with your purchase. Personally, I would go with a climate =
controlled garage=20
like the kind I built for my Mustangs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
(email redacted)=20
[mailto sad smiley

email redacted)]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Wal=20
Marshall<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:02 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
(email redacted)<BR><B>Subject:</B> [CM] Of =
bubbles,=20
coccons and car bags<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I'm about to spend an =
unmentionable amount of=20
$ on a Boss 429, which is in pristine rust free condition, Im =
considering ways=20
to keep it that way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ive always scoffed at stories of =
special car=20
bags, but as i live in a damp, humid and slightly salty =
envoronment, Im=20
rethinking that position!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking on the net I see car cocoons =
(cover=20
impregnated with special antirust vapouriser), air bubbles filled with =

filtered air continuously pumped in, and car bags, which seal moisture =
out and=20
use an internal desicant to strip any excess moisture from inside the=20
enclosure. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These options all vary considerably =
in price etc.=20
Does anyone have any experience with any of them, and any =
recommendation re=20
brand etc. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At the moment im inclined to go for =
the "Car=20
Jacket" as the least cost vs best construction vs performance=20
vs expece\ted life compromise at around $230. <A=20
href=3D"carbag.com">www.carbag.com</A>. This is the seal =
and remove=20
moisture option, with the desicant being resueable after drying =
in an=20
oven.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any thoughts welcome</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wal Marshall</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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MessageWhen we place a high value on our cars, we become paranoid and =
begin to treat them as fragile. In reality, these babies are tough and =
it doesn't take much to keep them that way. My 69 Mach 1 was born and =
raised in the salty sea air of the Pacific Northwest. It is unrestored, =
was driven in the rain for many years and is still rust free with no =
special treatment other than being out of the rain for the last 15. I =
vote for the climate controlled garage... or better yet, a sealed glass =
box with all the air pumped out and replaced with nitrogen.
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and it=20
doesn't take much to keep them that way.  My 69 Mach 1 was born and =
raised=20
in the salty sea air of the Pacific Northwest.  It is unrestored, =
was=20
driven in the rain for many years and is still rust free with no special =

treatment other than being out of the rain for the last 15.  I vote =
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Wal, I have no personal experience with any of the options you mentioned =
but I did read an article written by Dave Grainger who runs a high end =
restoration facility near Toronto Canada. His article was based on him =
seeing the results of the use of these car "bags". He said they produce =
an ideal environment for mold and fungus with disastrous damage to the =
vehicles soft parts.

Thanks for that Paul.

I went looking for that article and found it here, along with some other =
quite interesting material

theguildofautomotiverestorers.com/restoration_articles.htm

This article seems to be related to the bubble system with air being =
constantly driven into the enclosure. Its hard to see any desicant =
system being able to keep air dry when its being changed at the rate of =
several times a day.=20

In spite of this article Im not entrirely convinced that sealing the car =
is such a bad thing provided the air inside IS kept very dry. The owner =
who puts his car away damp, seals it and leaves it like that for weeks =
or months is clearly going to suffer consequences such as mentioned in =
the article. However if the enclosure is kept dry its hard to see the =
fungi thriving? The article makes the point that the gel has to be =
changed (dryed out) every 6 months. That doesnt seem like much of a =
chore, but It may be that the owner involved in the article hadnt done =
that.=20

I work in the power industry where things like the inside of large power =
transfomers are have to be kept completely dry constantly. To achive =
this they are fitted with Silica Gel breathers which provided thety are =
properly maintained are very effective. Its very easy to dry it out the =
crystals in a warm oven (it changes colour as it drys so you can tell =
dry crystals from wet and ineffective ones). =20

My experience in my own garage is that we are exposed to considerable =
damp salty wind in the winter. Other than the car gets covered in dust, =
light surface rust builds up on any unprotected metal components. =
Anything enclosed so its not exposed to the salt disolved in the air =
seems to remain in good condition.=20

Im still thinking about the pros and cons..but looking foward to a big =
Boss driving experience!

Cheers Wal

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Wal, I=20
have no personal experience with any of the options you mentioned but I =
did read=20
an article written by Dave Grainger who runs a high end restoration =
facility=20
near Toronto Canada. <SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial =

color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>His article was based on him seeing the results =
of the use=20
of these car "bags". He said they produce an ideal environment for mold =
and=20
fungus with disastrous damage to the vehicles soft=20
parts.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks =
for that=20
Paul.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I went =
looking for=20
that article and found it here, along with some other quite interesting=20
material</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"theguildofautomotiverestorers.com/restoration_articles=
.htm"><FONT=20
color=3D#000000>theguildofautomotiverestorers.com/restoration_=
articles.htm</FONT></A><A=20
href=3D"theguildofautomotiverestorers.com/places_to_store_cars=
.htm"></A></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This =
article seems=20
to be related to the bubble system with air being constantly driven into =
the=20
enclosure. Its hard to see any desicant system being able to keep air =
dry when=20
its being changed at the rate of several times a=20
day. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In =
spite of this=20
article Im not entrirely convinced that sealing the car is such a =
bad thing=20
provided the air inside IS kept very dry. The owner who puts his car =
away damp,=20
seals it and leaves it like that for weeks or months is clearly going to =
suffer=20
consequences such as mentioned in the article. However if the enclosure =
is kept=20
dry its hard to see the fungi thriving?  The article makes the =
point that=20
the gel has to be changed (dryed out) every 6 months. That doesnt seem =
like much=20
of a chore, but It may be that the owner involved in the article hadnt =
done=20
that. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I work =
in the power=20
industry where things like the inside of large power transfomers are =
have to be=20
kept completely dry constantly. To achive this they are fitted with =
Silica Gel=20
breathers which provided thety are properly maintained are very=20
effective. Its very easy to dry it out the crystals in a warm oven =
(it=20
changes colour as it drys so you can tell dry crystals from wet and =
ineffective=20
ones).    </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My =
experience in my=20
own garage is that we are exposed to considerable damp salty wind in the =
winter.=20
Other than the car gets covered in dust, light surface rust builds up on =
any=20
unprotected metal components. Anything enclosed so its not exposed to =
the salt=20
disolved in the air seems to remain in good condition. =
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Im =
still thinking=20
about the pros and cons..but looking foward to a big Boss driving=20
experience!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D379313617-08032003><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers =

Wal</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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