Classic Mustangs List Archive

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: SSEXSMITH (Sexsmith, Scott)

Last night I was tightening down the front lug nuts on my 65 GT with
original disk brakes. I was doing this by hand and I noticed that the lug
nuts didn't seem to be tightening quite right. After inspection I noticed
that the lug nuts were actually sinking down into the wheel openings for the
lugs! These are just plain jane black steel rims. You could actually see
the metal stretching around the lugs as they sunk into the metal. I've
never seen this before.

The only thing that I've done differently is I put these rims on recently
from my 65 convertible. It has drums all around. There isn't a difference
that I know of in stock wheels from a factory disk to factory drums is
there? Any idea why these lug nuts aren't fitting properly and have pretty
much destroyed these front wheels? I've never seen anything like this in
all my years and six different Mustangs.

Scott

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: mach1 (Darrell: 69 Mach1)

That begs another question... I wonder if they can make Mustang wheel
birthday ice cream cakes...?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sexsmith, Scott" <(email redacted)>
To: "'A list for owners of Classic Mustangs'"
<(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: [CM] Interesting wheel problem


> Last night I was tightening down the front lug nuts on my 65 GT with
> original disk brakes. I was doing this by hand and I noticed that the lug
> nuts didn't seem to be tightening quite right. After inspection I noticed
> that the lug nuts were actually sinking down into the wheel openings for
the
> lugs! These are just plain jane black steel rims. You could actually see
> the metal stretching around the lugs as they sunk into the metal. I've
> never seen this before.
>
> The only thing that I've done differently is I put these rims on recently
> from my 65 convertible. It has drums all around. There isn't a
difference
> that I know of in stock wheels from a factory disk to factory drums is
> there? Any idea why these lug nuts aren't fitting properly and have
pretty
> much destroyed these front wheels? I've never seen anything like this in
> all my years and six different Mustangs.
>
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
> Classic-mustangs mailing list
> (email redacted)
> lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/classic-mustangs

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: Siwik (Randy Siwik)


Scott,

Do you know what type of lug nuts are required
for the wheels in question. Steel wheels normally
use a open acorn style.

In the old days, most 'mag' or aluminum wheels
like 'ET slots' would have used a flat washer w/
a long shank or lug centric nut.
On newer wheels today, like the two sets on a couple
of my cars, both use the bulge style.

Every time you take a wheel on and off, you can
distort the flange of the wheel. This flaring
of the hole can be made worse w/ the wrong nuts.
Think how many times over the years the wheels have
come on/off. Makes you wonder about the studs too,
probably more on the back then the front though (especially
if you have disc brakes).

The links below might be helpful.
mackinindustries.com/lugnutsa.html
tirerack.com/wheels/tech/nutsandbolts.htm

Oh, and yes, the wheels are different from a drum/drum
to a disc/drum car. Not the material necessarily, but
the offset for the calipers.
(( Ok guys, no laughing))
I think it's your nuts that are the problem.

Regards,
Randy
Central Ohio


"Sexsmith, Scott" wrote:

> Last night I was tightening down the front lug nuts on my 65 GT with
> original disk brakes. I was doing this by hand and I noticed that the lug
> nuts didn't seem to be tightening quite right. After inspection I noticed
> that the lug nuts were actually sinking down into the wheel openings for the
> lugs! These are just plain jane black steel rims. You could actually see
> the metal stretching around the lugs as they sunk into the metal. I've
> never seen this before.
>
> The only thing that I've done differently is I put these rims on recently
> from my 65 convertible. It has drums all around. There isn't a difference
> that I know of in stock wheels from a factory disk to factory drums is
> there? Any idea why these lug nuts aren't fitting properly and have pretty
> much destroyed these front wheels? I've never seen anything like this in
> all my years and six different Mustangs.
>
> Scott
>

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: walt.boeninger (Walt Boeninger)



Randy Siwik wrote:
>
> In the old days, most 'mag' or aluminum wheels
> like 'ET slots' would have used a flat washer w/
> a long shank or lug centric nut.
> On newer wheels today, like the two sets on a couple
> of my cars, both use the bulge style.

Unless those 'old' mag (AL) wheels are Shelby 10 spokes.
Which use the same tapered seat like a steel wheel.
No washers like the newer reproduction 10 spokes...

Though I think the new Torque Thrusts use the tapered seat now.....

I agree Scott's nuts are out of whack...;-)

Walt

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: SSEXSMITH (Sexsmith, Scott)

Hmmmmm.... I've used the same nuts all these years and never had a problem.
:-)

The nuts are conical/tapered style and are the same on both cars (disc and
drum). It's amazing to me to see the steel of the wheels so easily torn and
distorted as these nuts seem to just tear through the metal of both front
wheels.

"Oh, and yes, the wheels are different from a drum/drum
to a disc/drum car. Not the material necessarily, but
the offset for the calipers."

Did they actually ship plain-jane black steel wheels with different offsets
on cars back in 65?

Scott (checking nuts carefully tonight) Sexsmith


-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Siwik [mailtoemail redacted)]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:03 PM
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: Re: [CM] Interesting wheel problem



Scott,

Do you know what type of lug nuts are required
for the wheels in question. Steel wheels normally
use a open acorn style.

In the old days, most 'mag' or aluminum wheels
like 'ET slots' would have used a flat washer w/
a long shank or lug centric nut.
On newer wheels today, like the two sets on a couple
of my cars, both use the bulge style.

Every time you take a wheel on and off, you can
distort the flange of the wheel. This flaring
of the hole can be made worse w/ the wrong nuts.
Think how many times over the years the wheels have
come on/off. Makes you wonder about the studs too,
probably more on the back then the front though (especially
if you have disc brakes).

The links below might be helpful.
mackinindustries.com/lugnutsa.html
tirerack.com/wheels/tech/nutsandbolts.htm

Oh, and yes, the wheels are different from a drum/drum
to a disc/drum car. Not the material necessarily, but
the offset for the calipers.
(( Ok guys, no laughing))
I think it's your nuts that are the problem.

Regards,
Randy
Central Ohio


"Sexsmith, Scott" wrote:

> Last night I was tightening down the front lug nuts on my 65 GT with
> original disk brakes. I was doing this by hand and I noticed that the
> lug nuts didn't seem to be tightening quite right. After inspection I
> noticed that the lug nuts were actually sinking down into the wheel
> openings for the lugs! These are just plain jane black steel rims.
> You could actually see the metal stretching around the lugs as they
> sunk into the metal. I've never seen this before.
>
> The only thing that I've done differently is I put these rims on
> recently from my 65 convertible. It has drums all around. There
> isn't a difference that I know of in stock wheels from a factory disk
> to factory drums is there? Any idea why these lug nuts aren't fitting
> properly and have pretty much destroyed these front wheels? I've
> never seen anything like this in all my years and six different
> Mustangs.
>
> Scott
>

_______________________________________________
Classic-mustangs mailing list (email redacted)
lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/classic-mustangs

This read-only message was archived from a public mail list.
Mail From: ckelly (Chris Kelly)

I think the metal is just worn out. We have a 14" Magnum that has enlarged
bolt holes. They are not damaged, per se, but they are distorted to the
point where a 1/8 spacer behind the rim was necessary to tighten the
tapered lug nuts.

FWIW - My ET IV's use a tapered nut to seat the unilug washer, not the long
shank type that I believe is common to Cragars.

At 01:10 PM 6/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hmmmmm.... I've used the same nuts all these years and never had a problem.
>:-)
>
>The nuts are conical/tapered style and are the same on both cars (disc and
>drum). It's amazing to me to see the steel of the wheels so easily torn and
>distorted as these nuts seem to just tear through the metal of both front
>wheels.
>
>"Oh, and yes, the wheels are different from a drum/drum
>to a disc/drum car. Not the material necessarily, but
>the offset for the calipers."
>
>Did they actually ship plain-jane black steel wheels with different offsets
>on cars back in 65?
>
>Scott (checking nuts carefully tonight) Sexsmith
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy Siwik [mailtoemail redacted)]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:03 PM
>To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
>Subject: Re: [CM] Interesting wheel problem
>
>
>
>Scott,
>
>Do you know what type of lug nuts are required
>for the wheels in question. Steel wheels normally
>use a open acorn style.
>
>In the old days, most 'mag' or aluminum wheels
>like 'ET slots' would have used a flat washer w/
>a long shank or lug centric nut.
>On newer wheels today, like the two sets on a couple
>of my cars, both use the bulge style.
>
>Every time you take a wheel on and off, you can
>distort the flange of the wheel. This flaring
>of the hole can be made worse w/ the wrong nuts.
>Think how many times over the years the wheels have
>come on/off. Makes you wonder about the studs too,
>probably more on the back then the front though (especially
>if you have disc brakes).
>
>The links below might be helpful.
>mackinindustries.com/lugnutsa.html
>tirerack.com/wheels/tech/nutsandbolts.htm
>
>Oh, and yes, the wheels are different from a drum/drum
>to a disc/drum car. Not the material necessarily, but
>the offset for the calipers.
>(( Ok guys, no laughing))
>I think it's your nuts that are the problem.
>
>Regards,
>Randy
>Central Ohio
>
>
>"Sexsmith, Scott" wrote:
>
>> Last night I was tightening down the front lug nuts on my 65 GT with
>> original disk brakes. I was doing this by hand and I noticed that the
>> lug nuts didn't seem to be tightening quite right. After inspection I
>> noticed that the lug nuts were actually sinking down into the wheel
>> openings for the lugs! These are just plain jane black steel rims.
>> You could actually see the metal stretching around the lugs as they
>> sunk into the metal. I've never seen this before.
>>
>> The only thing that I've done differently is I put these rims on
>> recently from my 65 convertible. It has drums all around. There
>> isn't a difference that I know of in stock wheels from a factory disk
>> to factory drums is there? Any idea why these lug nuts aren't fitting
>> properly and have pretty much destroyed these front wheels? I've
>> never seen anything like this in all my years and six different
>> Mustangs.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Classic-mustangs mailing list (email redacted)
>lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/classic-mustangs
>_______________________________________________
>Classic-mustangs mailing list
>(email redacted)
>lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/classic-mustangs
>
>
========The Kelly's==============
Chris - (email redacted)
Debbie - (email redacted)
Merkel, Texas
=================================