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Mail From: adrian (adrian)


I just measured voltage in the garage-Battery =11.8v (not run it for 2
weeks.)
Headlighgt volts = 9---9.4 vdc.
I put in Sylvania sealed beams a few years ago,6024 ST and REALLY need
more light.They were a great improvement on the OEMs,though!
Would this relay snap right into the original 3 prong headlight socket/
Anyone gone to the 6024 XV-they say 3x brightness....
Adrian 73 351c convertible.S Florida

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Mail From: Lance (Lance Robaldo)

Adrian,

Yes, the harness plugs right in to the original 3 prong headlight socket &
headlights and requires no modifications to your original wiring whatsoever.

It will raise your headlight voltage to approximately battery voltage and it
will improve brightness a LOT.

Brighter headlights such as you installed do help, but they pull the full
load of current through the cars electrical system, through the headlight
switch, and then back to the headlights. The system just isn't designed to
carry that much current and you won't get the full brightness from those
headlights. Also it may cause your original wiring to prematurely fail, or
worse.....

The new harness allows your wiring system to only have to handle enough
current to activate the relays (very little current) Then the new harness
handles the full current load to the headlights.

It's made from a much heavier gauge wire that can easily handle 100W+ bulbs,
which by the way are quite brighter than legal here in the states.

Lance.



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From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of adrian
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:19 PM
To: Lance at robaldo.com
Subject: [CM] Headlight relay


I just measured voltage in the garage-Battery =11.8v (not run it for 2
weeks.)
Headlighgt volts = 9---9.4 vdc.
I put in Sylvania sealed beams a few years ago,6024 ST and REALLY need
more light.They were a great improvement on the OEMs,though!
Would this relay snap right into the original 3 prong headlight socket/
Anyone gone to the 6024 XV-they say 3x brightness....
Adrian 73 351c convertible.S Florida

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Mail From: ssixto (ssixto

hi guys,

hey Lance, thanks for all the great info so far. i've got a few more questions.

is the harness made in the US?
what gauge is the wire?
what brand of relays does it come with?
how much slack was in the new harness?

the last is of great interest tome as my Fairlane is a bit wider than any of
the Mustangs.

At 08:22 PM 12/30/2006, you wrote:
>Adrian,
>
>Yes, the harness plugs right in to the original 3 prong headlight socket &
>headlights and requires no modifications to your original wiring whatsoever.
>
>It will raise your headlight voltage to approximately battery voltage and it
>will improve brightness a LOT.
>
>Brighter headlights such as you installed do help, but they pull the full
>load of current through the cars electrical system, through the headlight
>switch, and then back to the headlights. The system just isn't designed to
>carry that much current and you won't get the full brightness from those
>headlights. Also it may cause your original wiring to prematurely fail, or
>worse.....
>
>The new harness allows your wiring system to only have to handle enough
>current to activate the relays (very little current) Then the new harness
>handles the full current load to the headlights.
>
>It's made from a much heavier gauge wire that can easily handle 100W+ bulbs,
>which by the way are quite brighter than legal here in the states.
>
>Lance.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>[mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of adrian
>Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:19 PM
>To: Lance at robaldo.com
>Subject: [CM] Headlight relay
>
>
>I just measured voltage in the garage-Battery =11.8v (not run it for 2
>weeks.)
>Headlighgt volts = 9---9.4 vdc.
>I put in Sylvania sealed beams a few years ago,6024 ST and REALLY need
>more light.They were a great improvement on the OEMs,though!
>Would this relay snap right into the original 3 prong headlight socket/
>Anyone gone to the 6024 XV-they say 3x brightness....
>Adrian 73 351c convertible.S Florida
>
>
>
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Mail From: Lance (Lance Robaldo)

I threw away the packaging, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were made in
Taiwan. If it means anything, the company is American Products Company
(APC)

Yes, there should be plenty of slack to wire your Fairlane. I fed about 8"
or so into the fender and still have a bit of slack in my installation.

The relays are RPC, not really a name brand, but they are a standard size &
plug pattern and they are easily replacable with Bosch or whatever.

The wiring is 16 AWG, however, EACH HEADLIGHT GETS IT'S OWN SEPARATE SUPPLY
WIRE!

There are actually 2 supply wires that you connect to the battery, each
feeding its own headlight AND each headlight gets its own ground wire too.

So it's really the equivalent of 8 AWG wire feeding both.

Hope that helps you.

For the $100 difference, I'll replace the relays if needed.... And I
noticed the Eastwood harness only has 1 supply and 1 ground, and in the
picture it looks to be about 16 AWG, so I think the APC harness can handle
more current.

Lance.


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[mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
ssixto at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:01 PM
To: Lance at robaldo.com
Subject: Re: [CM] Headlight relay

hi guys,

hey Lance, thanks for all the great info so far. i've got a few more
questions.

is the harness made in the US?
what gauge is the wire?
what brand of relays does it come with?
how much slack was in the new harness?

the last is of great interest tome as my Fairlane is a bit wider than any of
the Mustangs.

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Mail From: chrisstephens (Chris Stephens)


Sorry to butt in, but it's quite easy to do this yourself. I personally
rewired my entire car and I included relays for the lights in a pannel under
the dash sort of like a fuse box.
But check this out midnightdsigns.com/james/headlights.htm and
this madelectrical.com/electrical-tech.shtml and this
mustangandfords.com/techarticles/127_0312_mustang_lights_know_how/index.html
and if you realy want to get crazy and throw money at it
brightheadlights-hid.com/xenon-hid.htm

Chris


ssixto at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> hi guys,
>
> hey Lance, thanks for all the great info so far. i've got a few more
> questions.
>
> is the harness made in the US?
> what gauge is the wire?
> what brand of relays does it come with?
> how much slack was in the new harness?
>
> the last is of great interest tome as my Fairlane is a bit wider than
> any of the Mustangs.
>
> At 08:22 PM 12/30/2006, you wrote:
>> Adrian,
>>
>> Yes, the harness plugs right in to the original 3 prong headlight
>> socket & headlights and requires no modifications to your original
>> wiring whatsoever.
>>
>> It will raise your headlight voltage to approximately battery
>> voltage and it will improve brightness a LOT.
>>
>> Brighter headlights such as you installed do help, but they pull the
>> full load of current through the cars electrical system, through the
>> headlight switch, and then back to the headlights. The system just
>> isn't designed to carry that much current and you won't get the full
>> brightness from those headlights. Also it may cause your original
>> wiring to prematurely fail, or worse.....
>>
>> The new harness allows your wiring system to only have to handle
>> enough current to activate the relays (very little current) Then the
>> new harness handles the full current load to the headlights.
>>
>> It's made from a much heavier gauge wire that can easily handle
>> 100W+ bulbs, which by the way are quite brighter than legal here in
>> the states.
>>
>> Lance.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
>> [mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of
>> adrian Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:19 PM
>> To: Lance at robaldo.com
>> Subject: [CM] Headlight relay
>>
>>
>> I just measured voltage in the garage-Battery =11.8v (not run it for
>> 2 weeks.)
>> Headlighgt volts = 9---9.4 vdc.
>> I put in Sylvania sealed beams a few years ago,6024 ST and REALLY
>> need
>> more light.They were a great improvement on the OEMs,though!
>> Would this relay snap right into the original 3 prong headlight
>> socket/ Anyone gone to the 6024 XV-they say 3x brightness....
>> Adrian 73 351c convertible.S Florida
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Classic-mustangs at lists.twistedpair.ca
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>>
>> Visit the Classic Mustang Wiki! sauce.donair.org/~cm/
>
>
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Mail From: adrian (adrian)


Thanks,Lance,
Ordered it today!
Adrian

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Mail From: Lance (Lance Robaldo)

I agree Chris, In fact I hardwired the headlight relay's into my son's car
last year and upgraded much of his wiring myself.

However not everybody has the skills or capability to do that. And using a
pre-made wiring harness allows you to quickly change it back to concourse if
desired.

That was the reason I went with the harness on my ragtop. I wanted to be
able to quickly go back to concourse for shows. And the fact that for only
$32 I'd have a hard time just buying the relays & sockets to do it myself.

Lance.

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Mail From: chrisstephens (Chris Stephens)

Yep, true all that!
I just figured if quality was a question, one could easily build one with
better relays and such especially with a little direction and help. I also
didn't know the price was that low. Like you said, 4- relays and sockets are
around $40 and you still don't have the connectors or wire. That's a pretty
good deal.

Another sort of personal thing I've found is I try to push myself into new
things I haven't or am only slightly comfortable doing myself. To me the
satisfaction and experience of building it and figuring it out is often
worth more than the price difference of buying a kit. I can't think of any
project I've tried yet that I didn't finally figure out. Some turn out
better than others of course. Some I'm still learning and others have added
tools (knowledge) to my arsenal of weapons on the next whatever project.

Just one note on the project here. Either way you go, kit or custom. You
should make sure you mount the relays socket down and use a dialectric
grease on them (same stuff for spark plugs) if mounted under the hood. The
position should help to keep water out of them, and the grease will help
with corrosion. Another thing I've noticed, I should have mounted my relay
box on rubber of some sort. The factory usually does this and it cuts down
on the click noise when they turn on. If you want it to be reversable for
concourse correct at shows, hange them from something with tie wraps (use
black it looks better) instead of screw mounting them. My guess is this
would also reduce the noise a little and be very reversible.


till next time,
Chris





Lance Robaldo wrote:
> I agree Chris, In fact I hardwired the headlight relay's into my
> son's car last year and upgraded much of his wiring myself.
>
> However not everybody has the skills or capability to do that. And
> using a pre-made wiring harness allows you to quickly change it back
> to concourse if desired.
>
> That was the reason I went with the harness on my ragtop. I wanted
> to be able to quickly go back to concourse for shows. And the fact
> that for only $32 I'd have a hard time just buying the relays &
> sockets to do it myself.
>
> Lance.
>
>
>
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>
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Mail From: Lance (Lance Robaldo)

Absolutely, Chris makes a good point! Use electrical grease in the socket
connections! That helps keep water out and prevents corrosion!

Those of you upgrading your steering wheel should use the same grease on
your horn contact ring too!

Good tip Chris!

Lance.

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From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of Chris
Stephens
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:53 PM
To: Lance at robaldo.com
Subject: Re: [CM] Headlight relay

...
You should make sure you mount the relays socket down and use a dialectric
grease on them (same stuff for spark plugs) if mounted under the hood. The
position should help to keep water out of them, and the grease will help
with corrosion.
...

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Mail From: Lance (Lance Robaldo)

Great! Let us know how it turns out. I'm happy I did mine!

Lance.


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From: classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca
[mailto:classic-mustangs-bounces at lists.twistedpair.ca] On Behalf Of adrian
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:47 PM
To: Lance at robaldo.com
Subject: Re: [CM] Headlight relay


Thanks,Lance,
Ordered it today!
Adrian