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Mail From: jkessell (Jim Kessell)

I ran across this interesting story.

money.cnn.com/2004/04/22/pf/autos/mustang_out/index.htm

I think I'm planning on an '05

--
Jim Kessell
Hyndman, PA

65 289 Conv, auto, Arcadian Blue
66 289 Conv, auto & air, Nightmist Blue, Parchment Pony Int
66 289 Coupe, auto & air, Candyapple Red, Parchment Int w/ Burgundy appts
91 GT Conv, AOD, 3200 miles
92 GT Conv, AOD, daily driver, Flowmaster Force II Mufflers

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Mail From: tderrick (Aj Derrick)

I wonder what "co-venture with Mazda" means??

I'm a little concerned....



AJ Derrick

66 Coupe
95 GT





On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 06:40 AM, Jim Kessell wrote:

> I ran across this interesting story.
>
> money.cnn.com/2004/04/22/pf/autos/mustang_out/index.htm
>
> I think I'm planning on an '05
>
> --
> Jim Kessell
> Hyndman, PA
>
> 65 289 Conv, auto, Arcadian Blue
> 66 289 Conv, auto & air, Nightmist Blue, Parchment Pony Int
> 66 289 Coupe, auto & air, Candyapple Red, Parchment Int w/ Burgundy
> appts
> 91 GT Conv, AOD, 3200 miles
> 92 GT Conv, AOD, daily driver, Flowmaster Force II Mufflers
>
>
>
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Mail From: PonyCar69 ((email redacted))

Could be that mazda will be making some of the engine parts or body parts?
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Mail From: draftercorp (draftercorp)

Ford and Mazda have had a longstanding realationship. If memory serves me correct I think the Probe had a engine that was either developed or built by Mazda.

Andy
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Could be that mazda will be making some of the engine parts or body parts?


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Mail From: a_64_n_a_half (Mustang)

In fact, the current B2000 and Ranger are the same. The Small SUV (can't remember names) are same. I think Ford still owns 25% of Mazda. And, interestingly, the new Mazda 3 was built on the Volvo S40 chassis in cooperation with Ford.
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Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 9:22 AM
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Ford and Mazda have had a longstanding realationship. If memory serves me correct I think the Probe had a engine that was either developed or built by Mazda.

Andy
1967 289 Auto
Custom Vinyl Decals and More...
ajwalkerdesign.com/decal/
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Mail From: rpprince (Paul & Christina Prince)

It means the 2005 Mustang is being at the Flat Rock Michigan, Mazda plant.

Paul Prince
1965 Mustang 2+2
1989 Mustang GT Convertible
1989 Mustang 5.0 LX Coupe
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Derrick
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:57 AM
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: Re: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang


I wonder what "co-venture with Mazda" means??

I'm a little concerned....



AJ Derrick

66 Coupe
95 GT





On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 06:40 AM, Jim Kessell wrote:


I ran across this interesting story.

money.cnn.com/2004/04/22/pf/autos/mustang_out/index.htm

I think I'm planning on an '05

--
Jim Kessell
Hyndman, PA

65 289 Conv, auto, Arcadian Blue
66 289 Conv, auto & air, Nightmist Blue, Parchment Pony Int
66 289 Coupe, auto & air, Candyapple Red, Parchment Int w/ Burgundy
appts
91 GT Conv, AOD, 3200 miles
92 GT Conv, AOD, daily driver, Flowmaster Force II Mufflers



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Mail From: tderrick (Aj Derrick)


Well, I hope they're not building my American iron V8 ; )

Although since V8's are soon to ALL be made of aluminum, they may
actually have
more experience...

Can't wait to find out!


AJ Derrick
66 Coupe
95 GT




On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 11:22 AM, draftercorp wrote:

> Ford and Mazda have had a longstanding realationship. If memory serves
> me correct I think the Probe had a engine that was either developed or
> built by Mazda.
> ?
> Andy
> 1967 289 Auto
> Custom Vinyl Decals and More...
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Mail From: tderrick (Aj Derrick)

Didn't I hear that the new mustang is going to be built on the Lincoln
LS platform??

What does Mazda have to do with that??




On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 01:04 PM, Paul & Christina Prince wrote:

> It means the 2005 Mustang is being at the Flat Rock Michigan, Mazda
> plant.
> ?
> Paul Prince
> 1965 Mustang 2+2
> 1989 Mustang GT Convertible
> 1989 Mustang 5.0 LX Coupe
>
>
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Mail From: MBMorrow4 ((email redacted))

Hi Guys:
The Flat rock, MI plant was developed as a co-venture with Mazda in the '80s
to produce the MX-6 and Probe (which was almost the front wheel drive Mustang
until the Mustang enthusiasts were heard) The plant is very high tech as
opposed to the Rouge which used to build Model Ts. The Rouge is going to make
F-series trucks. Flat Rockwas also before the Mazda-Ford connection was
acknowledged as it is today on Ford's web site and advertising. I believe that Ford has
also increased its stake in Mazda since the '80s. Based on what Ford had to
show at the 40th in Nashville, we don't have to worry about the Mazdification of
the Stang. It is still pure ponycar.

I'll still wait for an '05 GT rag
top!


Mark

1964 1/2 Conv restomod
1966 T-Bird Conv
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Mail From: benw (Ben Witso)

Yes- Ford owns (or is a majority owner of) Mazda, Jaguar, Volvo, Land
Rover and Aston Martin as well as Lincoln and Mercury. In addition to
the obvious cars that look the same (the Ranger/Mazda pickups,
Escape/Mazda SUV, etc that others have pointed out) there are
"platforms" that are shared among the brands (like the Lincoln LS and
Jaguar mentioned below). There are Mazdas built on Ford platforms and
vice-versa. Check out the main Ford web site (www.ford.com) - there are
links to all of the Ford brands.

On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 09:44 AM, Rod Robertson wrote:

> Nothing, that would be your Ford-Jaguar connection!
>
> Aj Derrick wrote:
>
> Didn't I hear that the new mustang is going to be built on the Lincoln
> LS platform??
>
> What does Mazda have to do with that??
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 01:04 PM, Paul & Christina Prince wrote:
>
> It means the 2005 Mustang is being at the Flat Rock Michigan, Mazda
> plant.
> ?
> Paul Prince
> 1965 Mustang 2+2
> 1989 Mustang GT Convertible
> 1989 Mustang 5.0 LX Coupe
>
>
> AJ Derrick
> 66 Coupe
> 95 GT
>
>
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Mail From: a_64_n_a_half (Mustang)

And, look at who Chrystler has bought and sold. Plus, GM has always been in Opel's pants. It's a good thing, I think. But, I'd really like to know where my next new car came from. How would I go about that?

Ken
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From: Ben Witso
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang


Yes- Ford owns (or is a majority owner of) Mazda, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover and Aston Martin as well as Lincoln and Mercury. In addition to the obvious cars that look the same (the Ranger/Mazda pickups, Escape/Mazda SUV, etc that others have pointed out) there are "platforms" that are shared among the brands (like the Lincoln LS and Jaguar mentioned below). There are Mazdas built on Ford platforms and vice-versa. Check out the main Ford web site (www.ford.com) - there are links to all of the Ford brands.

On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 09:44 AM, Rod Robertson wrote:


Nothing, that would be your Ford-Jaguar connection!

Aj Derrick wrote:

Didn't I hear that the new mustang is going to be built on the Lincoln LS platform??

What does Mazda have to do with that??




On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 01:04 PM, Paul & Christina Prince wrote:

It means the 2005 Mustang is being at the Flat Rock Michigan, Mazda plant.

Paul Prince
1965 Mustang 2+2
1989 Mustang GT Convertible
1989 Mustang 5.0 LX Coupe


AJ Derrick
66 Coupe
95 GT



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Mail From: SSEXSMITH (Sexsmith, Scott)

I'd think the only way to really know 100% of where your next car came from
would be to build it yourself. A kit car as an example. Otherwise it seems
it's a combination of parts from all over the globe.

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From: Mustang [mailtoemail redacted)]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:26 PM
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: Re: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang


And, look at who Chrystler has bought and sold. Plus, GM has always been in
Opel's pants. It's a good thing, I think. But, I'd really like to know where
my next new car came from. How would I go about that?

Ken

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From: Ben Witso <mailtoemail redacted)>
To: A list for owners of <mailtoemail redacted)>
Classic Mustangs
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang

Yes- Ford owns (or is a majority owner of) Mazda, Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover
and Aston Martin as well as Lincoln and Mercury. In addition to the obvious
cars that look the same (the Ranger/Mazda pickups, Escape/Mazda SUV, etc
that others have pointed out) there are "platforms" that are shared among
the brands (like the Lincoln LS and Jaguar mentioned below). There are
Mazdas built on Ford platforms and vice-versa. Check out the main Ford web
site (www.ford.com) - there are links to all of the Ford brands.

On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 09:44 AM, Rod Robertson wrote:



Nothing, that would be your Ford-Jaguar connection!

Aj Derrick wrote:

Didn't I hear that the new mustang is going to be built on the Lincoln LS
platform??

What does Mazda have to do with that??




On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 01:04 PM, Paul & Christina Prince wrote:

It means the 2005 Mustang is being at the Flat Rock Michigan, Mazda plant.

Paul Prince
1965 Mustang 2+2
1989 Mustang GT Convertible
1989 Mustang 5.0 LX Coupe


AJ Derrick
66 Coupe
95 GT




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Mail From: jem (John Miller)

> Yes- Ford owns (or is a majority owner of) Mazda, Jaguar, Volvo, Land
> Rover and Aston Martin as well as Lincoln and Mercury. In addition to
> the obvious cars that look the same (the Ranger/Mazda pickups,
> Escape/Mazda SUV, etc that others have pointed out) there are
> "platforms" that are shared among the brands (like the Lincoln LS and
> Jaguar mentioned below).

The new Mustang is not built on the full Lincoln LS DEW98 platform, but
rather a cheapened, decontented version.

The LS has a beautiful all-aluminum tall-spindle SLA front suspension; the
Mustang gets Macstruts.

The LS has a sweet aluminum multilink IRS; the Mustang (except for the
Cobra) gets a stick axle on three-link.

The controlling factor behind the new Mustang is what it's been for every
Mustang design ever built: above all else it has to be cheap.

Apparently the stick-axle-on-three-link rearend was done for the
Thunderbird (which *does* use the full DEW98 chassis) - there was a big
internal debate as to whether at least low-end 'Birds should have been
stick-axle, in the end they went IRS. 'Bird's got a nice suspension design
(if a floppy structure) - shame it's otherwise so completely boring.

The Jag S-type uses a lot of the Lincoln LS bits, though with each
subsequent revision the Jag ends up a little less like the Lincoln. At
least Ford finally gave the LS the full-spec 280HP VVT Jag engine when
the Jag was stroked to 4.2L.

The current Mazda3 and the new Volvo S40/V40 are based on the new Focus
that Ford is launching in Europe, but the US won't get a new Focus for a
while at the very least - it took Ford five years to figure out how to
build the thing without a recall a month, and with the Mustang, the Five
Hundred, the Futura or whatever it's now going to be called, etc. US Ford
figures I guess they've got more new product launches than they can handle
anyway.

The Jag X-type was derived from the Mondeo - the previous version of which
was built here as the Contour/Mystique (great-driving car, shame about the
tiny back seat...) The Escape/Tribute is also Mondeo-based. Both use
similar AWD setups. I haven't been under either one of them so can't
venture how many bits they might share.

John.

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Mail From: tderrick (Aj Derrick)

Thanks for the info , John.

I look hard at those Lincoln LS's every time I pass one in my GT
mustang. I love em'!

AJ Derrick
66 Coupe
95 GT




On Monday, May 10, 2004, at 07:45 PM, John Miller wrote:

>> Yes- Ford owns (or is a majority owner of) Mazda, Jaguar, Volvo, Land
>> Rover and Aston Martin as well as Lincoln and Mercury. In addition to
>> the obvious cars that look the same (the Ranger/Mazda pickups,
>> Escape/Mazda SUV, etc that others have pointed out) there are
>> "platforms" that are shared among the brands (like the Lincoln LS and
>> Jaguar mentioned below).
>
> The new Mustang is not built on the full Lincoln LS DEW98 platform,
> but rather a cheapened, decontented version.
>
> The LS has a beautiful all-aluminum tall-spindle SLA front suspension;
> the Mustang gets Macstruts.
>
> The LS has a sweet aluminum multilink IRS; the Mustang (except for the
> Cobra) gets a stick axle on three-link.
>
> The controlling factor behind the new Mustang is what it's been for
> every Mustang design ever built: above all else it has to be cheap.
>
> Apparently the stick-axle-on-three-link rearend was done for the
> Thunderbird (which *does* use the full DEW98 chassis) - there was a
> big internal debate as to whether at least low-end 'Birds should have
> been stick-axle, in the end they went IRS. 'Bird's got a nice
> suspension design (if a floppy structure) - shame it's otherwise so
> completely boring.
>
> The Jag S-type uses a lot of the Lincoln LS bits, though with each
> subsequent revision the Jag ends up a little less like the Lincoln.
> At least Ford finally gave the LS the full-spec 280HP VVT Jag engine
> when
> the Jag was stroked to 4.2L.
>
> The current Mazda3 and the new Volvo S40/V40 are based on the new
> Focus that Ford is launching in Europe, but the US won't get a new
> Focus for a while at the very least - it took Ford five years to
> figure out how to build the thing without a recall a month, and with
> the Mustang, the Five Hundred, the Futura or whatever it's now going
> to be called, etc. US Ford figures I guess they've got more new
> product launches than they can handle anyway.
>
> The Jag X-type was derived from the Mondeo - the previous version of
> which was built here as the Contour/Mystique (great-driving car, shame
> about the tiny back seat...) The Escape/Tribute is also Mondeo-based.
> Both use similar AWD setups. I haven't been under either one of them
> so can't venture how many bits they might share.
>
> John.
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Mail From: peterchase2 (Peter Chase)

The probe and the Mazda MX-6 were essentially the same car with different exterior sheetmetal. Same as the Ranger / B2000 and Mazda Tribute/Ford Escape. The new Mazda 3, the new Volvo S40, and the next Ford Focus will all be based on the same platform. Also, in a year or 2, Ford will sell their version of the Volvo S60 as their new large family car.
----- Original Message -----
From: draftercorp
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang


Ford and Mazda have had a longstanding realationship. If memory serves me correct I think the Probe had a engine that was either developed or built by Mazda.

Andy
1967 289 Auto
Custom Vinyl Decals and More...
ajwalkerdesign.com/decal/
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Mail From: rpprince (Paul & Christina Prince)

American V8????

hmmmm. since the the windsor Ford V8 is Canadian :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailtoemail redacted)]On Behalf Of Aj
Derrick
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 9:10 PM
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: Re: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang



Well, I hope they're not building my American iron V8 ; )

Although since V8's are soon to ALL be made of aluminum, they may actually
have
more experience...

Can't wait to find out!


AJ Derrick
66 Coupe
95 GT




On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 11:22 AM, draftercorp wrote:


Ford and Mazda have had a longstanding realationship. If memory serves
me correct I think the Probe had a engine that was either developed or built
by Mazda.

Andy
1967 289 Auto
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Mail From: rpprince (Paul & Christina Prince)

Yes, the '05 Mustang is built on the DEW platform which is the Lincoln LS
and Jaguar platform

-----Original Message-----
From: Aj Derrick [mailtoemail redacted)]
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 3:39 AM
To: (email redacted); A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: Re: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang


Didn't I hear that the new mustang is going to be built on the Lincoln LS
platform??

What does Mazda have to do with that??




On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 01:04 PM, Paul & Christina Prince wrote:


It means the 2005 Mustang is being at the Flat Rock Michigan, Mazda
plant.

Paul Prince
1965 Mustang 2+2
1989 Mustang GT Convertible
1989 Mustang 5.0 LX Coupe



AJ Derrick
66 Coupe
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Mail From: highwayhan (hanes hanes)


Actually its a HIGHLY modified version of the DEW platform, and as ford
says, it is so modified it isn't similar any longer, the DEW was too heavy,
and cost too much to produce for a high volume car.



>From: "Paul & Christina Prince" <(email redacted)>
>Reply-To: (email redacted),A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
><(email redacted)>
>To: "Aj Derrick" <(email redacted)>,"A list for owners of Classic
>Mustangs" <(email redacted)>
>Subject: RE: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang
>Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:24:20 -0400
>
>Yes, the '05 Mustang is built on the DEW platform which is the Lincoln LS
>and Jaguar platform
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aj Derrick [mailtoemail redacted)]
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 3:39 AM
> To: (email redacted); A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> Subject: Re: [CM] Ford Running Out of Current Mustang
>
>
> Didn't I hear that the new mustang is going to be built on the Lincoln
>LS
>platform??
>
> What does Mazda have to do with that??
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 8, 2004, at 01:04 PM, Paul & Christina Prince wrote:
>
>
> It means the 2005 Mustang is being at the Flat Rock Michigan, Mazda
>plant.
>
> Paul Prince
> 1965 Mustang 2+2
> 1989 Mustang GT Convertible
> 1989 Mustang 5.0 LX Coupe
>
>
>
> AJ Derrick
> 66 Coupe
> 95 GT
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Mail From: walt.boeninger (Walt Boeninger)



Paul & Christina Prince wrote:

> American V8????
>
> hmmmm. since the the windsor Ford V8 is Canadian :-)

Well, Canada is American ..... "North" American.

Which begs the geopolitical question of why we get to call
ourselves America? What about Canada and Mexico?

"America" is really just shorthand for United States of America.
...and Canada and Mexico liked their names as they were?

OK, so when were they named?