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Mail From: (email redacted) (Rich Silva)

At 08:13 AM 5/17/2001 -0400, M. Traver wrote:
> > The strategy that I think will work has been wandering the web
> > for awhile.
> > As a group, boycott a specific company. Don't buy gas from Mobile
> > and Exxon
>
>Has it occurred to anybody that the real problem is refining capacity in
>this country? And that boycotting one company would force you to buy all of
>your gas from another? And since that company doesn't have enough capacity
>either, all you're going to do is drive prices even higher? The old supply
>and demand problem rears its ugly head.

This "boycott" is to address the "price gouging" that is currently rampant
that the Oil Companies like to blaim on supply (very conflicting reports on
whether or not there is actually a supply (of crud) problem) or on the refinery
fire in LA (Traver (traber? travis?) Oil had a fire in a cracking plant
that reportedly
affects some 10% of their daily production at only one of there numerous
plants).

None of this (in my opinion, particularly given that there are reports that
the Oil
Companies in general are enjoying their Highest Profits ever at this time)
supports a
10+% price hike over the past few weeks... It is my belief that the Oil
Companies are just
loving it that Bush is keeping his hands off of them... So they are going
to raise prices
until there is a serious uproar, then cut back some... But, I'd say "Kiss
$1.50 gas goodbye..."
Like in the seventies when they raised prices from $0.25 to $1.00, once the
"problem" was dealt
with, the prices never went back to where they started...

Yes, more capacity would make it harder for them to do this...
Yes, I'd like to be driving either a 100% electric vehicle or a hybrid
capable of nearly 100 mpg...
Yes, I'd like to have enough solar capacity at home to provide for nearly
80% of my power needs...
Yes, I dont mind seeing the view of wonderful scenic valleys and hills
ruined by hundreds of wind based
generators....
And Frankly, I think we should invest into Atomic power again, Fusion is
the way, my children...

Rich


>I'd like to be able to blame one or the other of the oil companies for this
>mess, but I don't think they're orchestrating this. I think it's got more
>to do with regulatory pressures against building refining plants, the MTBE
>disaster and the BANANA problem (build absolutely nothing anywhere near
>anyone).
>
>-Michael
>
>_______________________________________________
>Classic-mustangs mailing list
>(email redacted)
>mix.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo/classic-mustangs

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Mail From: (email redacted) (Pete Boggini)

Rich Silva said:
>
>This "boycott" is to address the "price gouging" that is currently rampant
>that the Oil Companies like to blaim on supply (very conflicting reports on
>whether or not there is actually a supply (of crud) problem) or on the refinery
>fire in LA (Traver (traber? travis?) Oil had a fire in a cracking plant
>that reportedly
>affects some 10% of their daily production at only one of there numerous
>plants).
>
>None of this (in my opinion, particularly given that there are reports that
>the Oil
>Companies in general are enjoying their Highest Profits ever at this time)
>supports a
>10+% price hike over the past few weeks... It is my belief that the Oil
>Companies are just
>loving it that Bush is keeping his hands off of them... So they are going
>to raise prices
>until there is a serious uproar, then cut back some... But, I'd say "Kiss
>$1.50 gas goodbye..."
>Like in the seventies when they raised prices from $0.25 to $1.00, once the
>"problem" was dealt
>with, the prices never went back to where they started...

Of course if you adjusted gasoline prices to other prices, they were
in fact lower. Yea, it sure feels like we are getting gouged, but I
get tired of hearing people blame Bush for this mess when the previous
administration did everything it could to not bolster the supply. Face
it, any commodity that has reserves as low as oil/gasoline is bound
to spike when anything happens or is even rumored to happen. That's
just economics. What should Bush do, price caps? Sorry, that won't
help. Higher prices for scares items helps subsodize things like
exploration for more of that item or a replacement. So, yea,
maybe the oil companies will have a bigger profit, but this will allow
them to do more exploration (as long as the rabid treehuggers are kept
at bay) and find more supply so that we will again have more of a surplus
bringing the prices back down. Don't forget that treehuggers and those
NIMBY's and BANANA's have fought tooth and nail to keep refineries out of
places, keep pipelines as small as possible and have fought exploration
in many areas. I believe we need to stop those excessive practices first
if we really want to solve this problem. Price caps will do nothing long
term as there will be no money or incentive to find more.

>Yes, more capacity would make it harder for them to do this...
>Yes, I'd like to be driving either a 100% electric vehicle or a hybrid
>capable of nearly 100 mpg...
>Yes, I'd like to have enough solar capacity at home to provide for nearly
>80% of my power needs...
>Yes, I dont mind seeing the view of wonderful scenic valleys and hills
>ruined by hundreds of wind based
> generators....
>And Frankly, I think we should invest into Atomic power again, Fusion is
>the way, my children...

OK, now you've said something I agree with. Nuke Power is good for us.
Its the cleanest power around and will free up more fosil fuels for mobile
use. I don't like 100% electric vehicles, but I would go for a hybrid
if they made one that I could use. Its just too bad its gotten such
bad press over the years.

peterb

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Mail From: (email redacted) (Bob Craven)

Hey Rich, you been reading my mail?? If this is supply and demand, when did either
of them rise or dimension so suddenly that could explain away huge increase in gas
prices? Regarding electricity, did a vast number of companies and huge cities full
of people move there to boost the demand for electricity? Have all the existing
users doubled and triples their needs from the past year? Did multiple power
plants shut down or move out of state? I admit I don't know the specific and
details other than the news I read and hear. But Supply and Demand means how much
will people pay before they won't buy anymore, then that's what we have.
And are people accepting this better this time? Last year here in Indiana, the
governor removed the state sales tax on fuel of 6 months. When it came time for
the reinstatement, prices were lower, everybody flinched, and the taxes were added
back. This time he's not going to do anything. We'll let the market work this out.
The market. It doesn't seem to work so well on products without any competition to
speak of. If Wonder bread doubled their prices over Roman Meal, everyone could
switch breads or even cut bread out of their diet. But the oil companies are in
lock step with each other. No oil companies are saying they are going to figure
out a way to sell for less than the others and corner the market and get rich.
When was the last time you saw a real difference in price among service stations?
We have cars and trucks and have become a culture that depends upon them to an
extreme degree. And there is really nothing to do about that is going to have an
immediate market impact. I'm no more in love with politicians than anyone else,
but I think that is part of solution. If millions call, write and visit their
alleged representative, that would have an impact. I don't like government
control, but we don't have a Wonder Bread/Roman Meal thing happening here with
vehicle fuel, electricity, or heating fuel. We can't go to the phone book and look
up the number of Reactor Power Co. and change our home accounts.
I'll bet some one is going to mention this thread is way off the topic of vintage
Mustangs. I don't think so. I have 2 Ponies because I want them and can afford
them. Watch what is going to happen to prices of goods and services (and
inflation) when everyone starts paying for the increased cost of fuel in delivery
of such.
I guess the oil companies do feel comfortable. Do you think that oil drilling in
protected lands are going to lead to increased supply or lower prices? Or is it
going to make things easier and more profitable for the oil producers?
Bob Craven

Rich Silva wrote:

> At 08:13 AM 5/17/2001 -0400, M. Traver wrote:
> > > The strategy that I think will work has been wandering the web
> > > for awhile.
> > > As a group, boycott a specific company. Don't buy gas from Mobile
> > > and Exxon
> >
> >Has it occurred to anybody that the real problem is refining capacity in
> >this country? And that boycotting one company would force you to buy all of
> >your gas from another? And since that company doesn't have enough capacity
> >either, all you're going to do is drive prices even higher? The old supply
> >and demand problem rears its ugly head.
>
> This "boycott" is to address the "price gouging" that is currently rampant
> that the Oil Companies like to blaim on supply (very conflicting reports on
> whether or not there is actually a supply (of crud) problem) or on the refinery
> fire in LA (Traver (traber? travis?) Oil had a fire in a cracking plant
> that reportedly
> affects some 10% of their daily production at only one of there numerous
> plants).
>
> None of this (in my opinion, particularly given that there are reports that
> the Oil
> Companies in general are enjoying their Highest Profits ever at this time)
> supports a
> 10+% price hike over the past few weeks... It is my belief that the Oil
> Companies are just
> loving it that Bush is keeping his hands off of them... So they are going
> to raise prices
> until there is a serious uproar, then cut back some... But, I'd say "Kiss
> $1.50 gas goodbye..."
> Like in the seventies when they raised prices from $0.25 to $1.00, once the
> "problem" was dealt
> with, the prices never went back to where they started...
>
> Yes, more capacity would make it harder for them to do this...
> Yes, I'd like to be driving either a 100% electric vehicle or a hybrid
> capable of nearly 100 mpg...
> Yes, I'd like to have enough solar capacity at home to provide for nearly
> 80% of my power needs...
> Yes, I dont mind seeing the view of wonderful scenic valleys and hills
> ruined by hundreds of wind based
> generators....
> And Frankly, I think we should invest into Atomic power again, Fusion is
> the way, my children...
>
> Rich
>
> >I'd like to be able to blame one or the other of the oil companies for this
> >mess, but I don't think they're orchestrating this. I think it's got more
> >to do with regulatory pressures against building refining plants, the MTBE
> >disaster and the BANANA problem (build absolutely nothing anywhere near
> >anyone).
> >
> >-Michael
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Classic-mustangs mailing list
> >(email redacted)
> >mix.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo/classic-mustangs
>
> _______________________________________________
> Classic-mustangs mailing list
> (email redacted)
> mix.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo/classic-mustangs

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Mail From: (email redacted) (Rich Silva)

Maybe crossed up attribution...? I wasnt the person making the "supply and
demand" argument...
Or at least I havent been intending to... Or at worst I've been saying
"I've decided prices
are as high as I can stomach; lets do something about it".

I think we're being gouged. I'd like to participate in some kind of
"statement" to
the Oil Companies...

Ideally, I'd really like to "buy" Pete's argument that all this extra money
was going to
go to R+D or Exploration... But I think more of it will go to support
"stalling" or
fighting more stringent controls on pollutors. The Oil companies want and
are willing
to pay for keeping us right where we are; in their pocket...

At 10:41 AM 5/17/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>Hey Rich, you been reading my mail?? If this is supply and demand, when
>did either
>of them rise or dimension so suddenly that could explain away huge
>increase in gas
>prices? Regarding electricity, did a vast number of companies and huge
>cities full
>of people move there to boost the demand for electricity? Have all the
>existing
>users doubled and triples their needs from the past year? Did multiple power
>plants shut down or move out of state? I admit I don't know the specific and
>details other than the news I read and hear. But Supply and Demand means
>how much
>will people pay before they won't buy anymore, then that's what we have.
>And are people accepting this better this time? Last year here in Indiana, the
>governor removed the state sales tax on fuel of 6 months. When it came
>time for
>the reinstatement, prices were lower, everybody flinched, and the taxes
>were added
>back. This time he's not going to do anything. We'll let the market work
>this out.
>The market. It doesn't seem to work so well on products without any
>competition to
>speak of. If Wonder bread doubled their prices over Roman Meal, everyone could
>switch breads or even cut bread out of their diet. But the oil companies
>are in
>lock step with each other. No oil companies are saying they are going to
>figure
>out a way to sell for less than the others and corner the market and get rich.
>When was the last time you saw a real difference in price among service
>stations?
>We have cars and trucks and have become a culture that depends upon them to an
>extreme degree. And there is really nothing to do about that is going to
>have an
>immediate market impact. I'm no more in love with politicians than anyone
>else,
>but I think that is part of solution. If millions call, write and visit their
>alleged representative, that would have an impact. I don't like government
>control, but we don't have a Wonder Bread/Roman Meal thing happening here with
>vehicle fuel, electricity, or heating fuel. We can't go to the phone book
>and look
>up the number of Reactor Power Co. and change our home accounts.
>I'll bet some one is going to mention this thread is way off the topic of
>vintage
>Mustangs. I don't think so. I have 2 Ponies because I want them and can afford
>them. Watch what is going to happen to prices of goods and services (and
>inflation) when everyone starts paying for the increased cost of fuel in
>delivery
>of such.
>I guess the oil companies do feel comfortable. Do you think that oil
>drilling in
>protected lands are going to lead to increased supply or lower prices? Or
>is it
>going to make things easier and more profitable for the oil producers?
>Bob Craven
>
>Rich Silva wrote:
>
> > At 08:13 AM 5/17/2001 -0400, M. Traver wrote:
> > > > The strategy that I think will work has been wandering the web
> > > > for awhile.
> > > > As a group, boycott a specific company. Don't buy gas from Mobile
> > > > and Exxon
> > >
> > >Has it occurred to anybody that the real problem is refining capacity in
> > >this country? And that boycotting one company would force you to buy
> all of
> > >your gas from another? And since that company doesn't have enough
> capacity
> > >either, all you're going to do is drive prices even higher? The old
> supply
> > >and demand problem rears its ugly head.
> >
> > This "boycott" is to address the "price gouging" that is currently rampant
> > that the Oil Companies like to blaim on supply (very conflicting reports on
> > whether or not there is actually a supply (of crud) problem) or on the
> refinery
> > fire in LA (Traver (traber? travis?) Oil had a fire in a cracking plant
> > that reportedly
> > affects some 10% of their daily production at only one of there numerous
> > plants).
> >
> > None of this (in my opinion, particularly given that there are reports that
> > the Oil
> > Companies in general are enjoying their Highest Profits ever at this time)
> > supports a
> > 10+% price hike over the past few weeks... It is my belief that the Oil
> > Companies are just
> > loving it that Bush is keeping his hands off of them... So they are going
> > to raise prices
> > until there is a serious uproar, then cut back some... But, I'd say "Kiss
> > $1.50 gas goodbye..."
> > Like in the seventies when they raised prices from $0.25 to $1.00, once the
> > "problem" was dealt
> > with, the prices never went back to where they started...
> >
> > Yes, more capacity would make it harder for them to do this...
> > Yes, I'd like to be driving either a 100% electric vehicle or a hybrid
> > capable of nearly 100 mpg...
> > Yes, I'd like to have enough solar capacity at home to provide for nearly
> > 80% of my power needs...
> > Yes, I dont mind seeing the view of wonderful scenic valleys and hills
> > ruined by hundreds of wind based
> > generators....
> > And Frankly, I think we should invest into Atomic power again, Fusion is
> > the way, my children...
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > >I'd like to be able to blame one or the other of the oil companies for
> this
> > >mess, but I don't think they're orchestrating this. I think it's got more
> > >to do with regulatory pressures against building refining plants, the MTBE
> > >disaster and the BANANA problem (build absolutely nothing anywhere near
> > >anyone).
> > >
> > >-Michael
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Classic-mustangs mailing list
> > >(email redacted)
> > >mix.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo/classic-mustangs
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Classic-mustangs mailing list
> > (email redacted)
> > mix.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo/classic-mustangs
>
>_______________________________________________
>Classic-mustangs mailing list
>(email redacted)
>mix.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo/classic-mustangs

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Mail From: (email redacted) (A 64 'n' a Half)

Guys, I hate to be petty, but isn't there a different forum for this?


>From: Rich Silva <(email redacted)>
>Reply-To: (email redacted)
>To: (email redacted)
>Subject: Re: [CM] don't buy gas on sunday
>Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:50:47 -0700
>
>
>Maybe crossed up attribution...? I wasnt the person making the "supply and
>demand" argument...
>Or at least I havent been intending to... Or at worst I've been saying
>"I've decided prices
>are as high as I can stomach; lets do something about it".
>
>I think we're being gouged. I'd like to participate in some kind of
>"statement" to
>the Oil Companies...
>
>Ideally, I'd really like to "buy" Pete's argument that all this extra money
>was going to
>go to R+D or Exploration... But I think more of it will go to support
>"stalling" or
>fighting more stringent controls on pollutors. The Oil companies want and
>are willing
>to pay for keeping us right where we are; in their pocket...
>
>At 10:41 AM 5/17/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>>Hey Rich, you been reading my mail?? If this is supply and demand, when
>>did either
>>of them rise or dimension so suddenly that could explain away huge
>>increase in gas
>>prices? Regarding electricity, did a vast number of companies and huge
>>cities full
>>of people move there to boost the demand for electricity? Have all the
>>existing
>>users doubled and triples their needs from the past year? Did multiple
>>power
>>plants shut down or move out of state? I admit I don't know the specific
>>and
>>details other than the news I read and hear. But Supply and Demand means
>>how much
>>will people pay before they won't buy anymore, then that's what we have.
>>And are people accepting this better this time? Last year here in Indiana,
>>the
>>governor removed the state sales tax on fuel of 6 months. When it came
>>time for
>>the reinstatement, prices were lower, everybody flinched, and the taxes
>>were added
>>back. This time he's not going to do anything. We'll let the market work
>>this out.
>>The market. It doesn't seem to work so well on products without any
>>competition to
>>speak of. If Wonder bread doubled their prices over Roman Meal, everyone
>>could
>>switch breads or even cut bread out of their diet. But the oil companies
>>are in
>>lock step with each other. No oil companies are saying they are going to
>>figure
>>out a way to sell for less than the others and corner the market and get
>>rich.
>>When was the last time you saw a real difference in price among service
>>stations?
>>We have cars and trucks and have become a culture that depends upon them
>>to an
>>extreme degree. And there is really nothing to do about that is going to
>>have an
>>immediate market impact. I'm no more in love with politicians than anyone
>>else,
>>but I think that is part of solution. If millions call, write and visit
>>their
>>alleged representative, that would have an impact. I don't like government
>>control, but we don't have a Wonder Bread/Roman Meal thing happening here
>>with
>>vehicle fuel, electricity, or heating fuel. We can't go to the phone book
>>and look
>>up the number of Reactor Power Co. and change our home accounts.
>>I'll bet some one is going to mention this thread is way off the topic of
>>vintage
>>Mustangs. I don't think so. I have 2 Ponies because I want them and can
>>afford
>>them. Watch what is going to happen to prices of goods and services (and
>>inflation) when everyone starts paying for the increased cost of fuel in
>>delivery
>>of such.
>>I guess the oil companies do feel comfortable. Do you think that oil
>>drilling in
>>protected lands are going to lead to increased supply or lower prices? Or
>>is it
>>going to make things easier and more profitable for the oil producers?
>>Bob Craven
>>
>>Rich Silva wrote:
>>
>> > At 08:13 AM 5/17/2001 -0400, M. Traver wrote:
>> > > > The strategy that I think will work has been wandering the web
>> > > > for awhile.
>> > > > As a group, boycott a specific company. Don't buy gas from Mobile
>> > > > and Exxon
>> > >
>> > >Has it occurred to anybody that the real problem is refining capacity
>>in
>> > >this country? And that boycotting one company would force you to buy
>>all of
>> > >your gas from another? And since that company doesn't have enough
>>capacity
>> > >either, all you're going to do is drive prices even higher? The old
>>supply
>> > >and demand problem rears its ugly head.
>> >
>> > This "boycott" is to address the "price gouging" that is currently
>>rampant
>> > that the Oil Companies like to blaim on supply (very conflicting
>>reports on
>> > whether or not there is actually a supply (of crud) problem) or on the
>>refinery
>> > fire in LA (Traver (traber? travis?) Oil had a fire in a cracking plant
>> > that reportedly
>> > affects some 10% of their daily production at only one of there
>>numerous
>> > plants).
>> >
>> > None of this (in my opinion, particularly given that there are reports
>>that
>> > the Oil
>> > Companies in general are enjoying their Highest Profits ever at this
>>time)
>> > supports a
>> > 10+% price hike over the past few weeks... It is my belief that the Oil
>> > Companies are just
>> > loving it that Bush is keeping his hands off of them... So they are
>>going
>> > to raise prices
>> > until there is a serious uproar, then cut back some... But, I'd say
>>"Kiss
>> > $1.50 gas goodbye..."
>> > Like in the seventies when they raised prices from $0.25 to $1.00, once
>>the
>> > "problem" was dealt
>> > with, the prices never went back to where they started...
>> >
>> > Yes, more capacity would make it harder for them to do this...
>> > Yes, I'd like to be driving either a 100% electric vehicle or a hybrid
>> > capable of nearly 100 mpg...
>> > Yes, I'd like to have enough solar capacity at home to provide for
>>nearly
>> > 80% of my power needs...
>> > Yes, I dont mind seeing the view of wonderful scenic valleys and hills
>> > ruined by hundreds of wind based
>> > generators....
>> > And Frankly, I think we should invest into Atomic power again, Fusion
>>is
>> > the way, my children...
>> >
>> > Rich
>> >
>> > >I'd like to be able to blame one or the other of the oil companies for
>>this
>> > >mess, but I don't think they're orchestrating this. I think it's got
>>more
>> > >to do with regulatory pressures against building refining plants, the
>>MTBE
>> > >disaster and the BANANA problem (build absolutely nothing anywhere
>>near
>> > >anyone).
>> > >
>> > >-Michael
>> > >
>> > >_______________________________________________
>> > >Classic-mustangs mailing list
>> > >(email redacted)
>> > >mix.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo/classic-mustangs
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Classic-mustangs mailing list
>> > (email redacted)
>> > mix.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo/classic-mustangs
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>
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Mail From: (email redacted) (Scott & Tina Mckee)

Easy, buy gas for your daily needs. Don't go on a driving vacation, don't visit
Disneyland, don't go to the tourist stops, don't drive for pleasure! The tourist
industry (ie: states. etc) will then put the clamps on this.

Rich Silva wrote:

> Maybe crossed up attribution...? I wasnt the person making the "supply and
> demand" argument...
> Or at least I havent been intending to... Or at worst I've been saying
> "I've decided prices
> are as high as I can stomach; lets do something about it".
>
> I think we're being gouged. I'd like to participate in some kind of
> "statement" to
> the Oil Companies...
>
> Ideally, I'd really like to "buy" Pete's argument that all this extra money
> was going to
> go to R+D or Exploration... But I think more of it will go to support
> "stalling" or
> fighting more stringent controls on pollutors. The Oil companies want and
> are willing
> to pay for keeping us right where we are; in their pocket...
>
> At 10:41 AM 5/17/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hey Rich, you been reading my mail?? If this is supply and demand, when
> >did either
> >of them rise or dimension so suddenly that could explain away huge
> >increase in gas
> >prices? Regarding electricity, did a vast number of companies and huge
> >cities full
> >of people move there to boost the demand for electricity? Have all the
> >existing
> >users doubled and triples their needs from the past year? Did multiple power
> >plants shut down or move out of state? I admit I don't know the specific and
> >details other than the news I read and hear. But Supply and Demand means
> >how much
> >will people pay before they won't buy anymore, then that's what we have.
> >And are people accepting this better this time? Last year here in Indiana, the
> >governor removed the state sales tax on fuel of 6 months. When it came
> >time for
> >the reinstatement, prices were lower, everybody flinched, and the taxes
> >were added
> >back. This time he's not going to do anything. We'll let the market work
> >this out.
> >The market. It doesn't seem to work so well on products without any
> >competition to
> >speak of. If Wonder bread doubled their prices over Roman Meal, everyone could
> >switch breads or even cut bread out of their diet. But the oil companies
> >are in
> >lock step with each other. No oil companies are saying they are going to
> >figure
> >out a way to sell for less than the others and corner the market and get rich.
> >When was the last time you saw a real difference in price among service
> >stations?
> >We have cars and trucks and have become a culture that depends upon them to an
> >extreme degree. And there is really nothing to do about that is going to
> >have an
> >immediate market impact. I'm no more in love with politicians than anyone
> >else,
> >but I think that is part of solution. If millions call, write and visit their
> >alleged representative, that would have an impact. I don't like government
> >control, but we don't have a Wonder Bread/Roman Meal thing happening here with
> >vehicle fuel, electricity, or heating fuel. We can't go to the phone book
> >and look
> >up the number of Reactor Power Co. and change our home accounts.
> >I'll bet some one is going to mention this thread is way off the topic of
> >vintage
> >Mustangs. I don't think so. I have 2 Ponies because I want them and can afford
> >them. Watch what is going to happen to prices of goods and services (and
> >inflation) when everyone starts paying for the increased cost of fuel in
> >delivery
> >of such.
> >I guess the oil companies do feel comfortable. Do you think that oil
> >drilling in
> >protected lands are going to lead to increased supply or lower prices? Or
> >is it
> >going to make things easier and more profitable for the oil producers?
> >Bob Craven
> >
> >Rich Silva wrote:
> >
> > > At 08:13 AM 5/17/2001 -0400, M. Traver wrote:
> > > > > The strategy that I think will work has been wandering the web
> > > > > for awhile.
> > > > > As a group, boycott a specific company. Don't buy gas from Mobile
> > > > > and Exxon
> > > >
> > > >Has it occurred to anybody that the real problem is refining capacity in
> > > >this country? And that boycotting one company would force you to buy
> > all of
> > > >your gas from another? And since that company doesn't have enough
> > capacity
> > > >either, all you're going to do is drive prices even higher? The old
> > supply
> > > >and demand problem rears its ugly head.
> > >
> > > This "boycott" is to address the "price gouging" that is currently rampant
> > > that the Oil Companies like to blaim on supply (very conflicting reports on
> > > whether or not there is actually a supply (of crud) problem) or on the
> > refinery
> > > fire in LA (Traver (traber? travis?) Oil had a fire in a cracking plant
> > > that reportedly
> > > affects some 10% of their daily production at only one of there numerous
> > > plants).
> > >
> > > None of this (in my opinion, particularly given that there are reports that
> > > the Oil
> > > Companies in general are enjoying their Highest Profits ever at this time)
> > > supports a
> > > 10+% price hike over the past few weeks... It is my belief that the Oil
> > > Companies are just
> > > loving it that Bush is keeping his hands off of them... So they are going
> > > to raise prices
> > > until there is a serious uproar, then cut back some... But, I'd say "Kiss
> > > $1.50 gas goodbye..."
> > > Like in the seventies when they raised prices from $0.25 to $1.00, once the
> > > "problem" was dealt
> > > with, the prices never went back to where they started...
> > >
> > > Yes, more capacity would make it harder for them to do this...
> > > Yes, I'd like to be driving either a 100% electric vehicle or a hybrid
> > > capable of nearly 100 mpg...
> > > Yes, I'd like to have enough solar capacity at home to provide for nearly
> > > 80% of my power needs...
> > > Yes, I dont mind seeing the view of wonderful scenic valleys and hills
> > > ruined by hundreds of wind based
> > > generators....
> > > And Frankly, I think we should invest into Atomic power again, Fusion is
> > > the way, my children...
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > > >I'd like to be able to blame one or the other of the oil companies for
> > this
> > > >mess, but I don't think they're orchestrating this. I think it's got more
> > > >to do with regulatory pressures against building refining plants, the MTBE
> > > >disaster and the BANANA problem (build absolutely nothing anywhere near
> > > >anyone).
> > > >
> > > >-Michael
> > > >
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