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Mail From: james.w.butler ((email redacted))

Almost done with the conversion (just waiting for the driveshaft to get back for the machine shop), and thought that I would share what I found out in doing it.

1. The C-4 flexplate that was on my vehicle did not match up to the AOD (even though the part number that was listed was the same for a AOD as a C-4). Since my engine is a 351W (C9OE) and uses a 28oz balance, I could not use the one from the donor car (it had a 50oz balance). I got one from a 83 LTD with a 302 and AOD combo.

2. Even though I could remove the C-4 without taking the headers off, There was no way to install the AOD untill they where removed.

3. The C-4 yoke is about 2 1/2 inches longer than the AOD yoke. You do need to get one.

4. Drive shaft. The drive shaft would install with the AOD, but there was only 1/4 inch of freeplay. This turned out not to be enough. There was vibrations at 30mph and over. Had to remove drive shaft and get 3/4 inch shaved off.

While there where problems, The install was pretty easy. The total cost is as follows.

Trans mount: 129.00
Lokar TV cable: 69.00 (replaces kick down)
Filter and Fluid: 35.00
Trans and Yoke: 320.00
Drive shaft (cut and balance): 91.00
Use of bay with a Lift (I am lazy) : 50.00

For a total of 694.00.

Install took about 1 day.

James

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Mail From: shawkins6 (Steve Hawkins)

Where did you get the transmission mount? I had to have one made for my
conversion because all the vendors had them back ordered for over 6
months.

Steve Hawkins



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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:24 PM
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)


Almost done with the conversion (just waiting for the driveshaft to get
back for the machine shop), and thought that I would share what I found
out in doing it.

1. The C-4 flexplate that was on my vehicle did not match up to the AOD
(even though the part number that was listed was the same for a AOD as a
C-4). Since my engine is a 351W (C9OE) and uses a 28oz balance, I could
not use the one from the donor car (it had a 50oz balance). I got one
from a 83 LTD with a 302 and AOD combo.

2. Even though I could remove the C-4 without taking the headers off,
There was no way to install the AOD untill they where removed.

3. The C-4 yoke is about 2 1/2 inches longer than the AOD yoke. You do
need to get one.

4. Drive shaft. The drive shaft would install with the AOD, but there
was only 1/4 inch of freeplay. This turned out not to be enough. There
was vibrations at 30mph and over. Had to remove drive shaft and get 3/4
inch shaved off.

While there where problems, The install was pretty easy. The total cost
is as follows.

Trans mount: 129.00
Lokar TV cable: 69.00 (replaces kick down)
Filter and Fluid: 35.00
Trans and Yoke: 320.00
Drive shaft (cut and balance): 91.00
Use of bay with a Lift (I am lazy) : 50.00

For a total of 694.00.

Install took about 1 day.

James

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Mail From: shawkins6 (Steve Hawkins)

I also was able to use my drive shaft without any modification. I also
have a 302 which may have been the difference.

Steve Hawkins



-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
[mailtoemail redacted)] On Behalf Of
(email redacted)
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:24 PM
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)


Almost done with the conversion (just waiting for the driveshaft to get
back for the machine shop), and thought that I would share what I found
out in doing it.

1. The C-4 flexplate that was on my vehicle did not match up to the AOD
(even though the part number that was listed was the same for a AOD as a
C-4). Since my engine is a 351W (C9OE) and uses a 28oz balance, I could
not use the one from the donor car (it had a 50oz balance). I got one
from a 83 LTD with a 302 and AOD combo.

2. Even though I could remove the C-4 without taking the headers off,
There was no way to install the AOD untill they where removed.

3. The C-4 yoke is about 2 1/2 inches longer than the AOD yoke. You do
need to get one.

4. Drive shaft. The drive shaft would install with the AOD, but there
was only 1/4 inch of freeplay. This turned out not to be enough. There
was vibrations at 30mph and over. Had to remove drive shaft and get 3/4
inch shaved off.

While there where problems, The install was pretty easy. The total cost
is as follows.

Trans mount: 129.00
Lokar TV cable: 69.00 (replaces kick down)
Filter and Fluid: 35.00
Trans and Yoke: 320.00
Drive shaft (cut and balance): 91.00
Use of bay with a Lift (I am lazy) : 50.00

For a total of 694.00.

Install took about 1 day.

James

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Mail From: james.w.butler ((email redacted))

Darkhhorse Preformance. They had the best prices. The mount was about the same, but the lokar cable was about $40.00 cheaper.

darkhorseperformance.com/

James


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Hawkins <(email redacted)>
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:23 pm
Subject: RE: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)

> Where did you get the transmission mount? I had to have one made
> for my
> conversion because all the vendors had them back ordered for over 6
> months.
>
> Steve Hawkins
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted)
> [(email redacted)] On Behalf Of
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:24 PM
> To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> Subject: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)
>
>
> Almost done with the conversion (just waiting for the driveshaft
> to get
> back for the machine shop), and thought that I would share what I
> foundout in doing it.
>
> 1. The C-4 flexplate that was on my vehicle did not match up to
> the AOD
> (even though the part number that was listed was the same for a
> AOD as a
> C-4). Since my engine is a 351W (C9OE) and uses a 28oz balance, I
> couldnot use the one from the donor car (it had a 50oz balance). I
> got one
> from a 83 LTD with a 302 and AOD combo.
>
> 2. Even though I could remove the C-4 without taking the headers off,
> There was no way to install the AOD untill they where removed.
>
> 3. The C-4 yoke is about 2 1/2 inches longer than the AOD yoke.
> You do
> need to get one.
>
> 4. Drive shaft. The drive shaft would install with the AOD, but there
> was only 1/4 inch of freeplay. This turned out not to be enough. There
> was vibrations at 30mph and over. Had to remove drive shaft and
> get 3/4
> inch shaved off.
>
> While there where problems, The install was pretty easy. The total
> costis as follows.
>
> Trans mount: 129.00
> Lokar TV cable: 69.00 (replaces kick down)
> Filter and Fluid: 35.00
> Trans and Yoke: 320.00
> Drive shaft (cut and balance): 91.00
> Use of bay with a Lift (I am lazy) : 50.00
>
> For a total of 694.00.
>
> Install took about 1 day.
>
> James
>
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Mail From: cat943 ((email redacted))

I haven't done this type of swap but have done other engine swaps (Pontiac and Buick to small block Chevy). I'd be careful about the driveshaft length - the issue isn't whether it will work; there must be suffifient free play in order not to over stress the bushings in the transmission. There is a protocol for measuring the distance between the tailshaft and the universal joint in order to determine the correct length for the driveshaft. Unfortunately the last time I did this was about 15 years ago and don't recall the resource I used (probably Car Craft magazine).



-------------- Original message from "Steve Hawkins" <(email redacted)>: --------------


> I also was able to use my drive shaft without any modification. I also
> have a 302 which may have been the difference.
>
> Steve Hawkins
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted)
> [mailtoemail redacted)] On Behalf Of
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:24 PM
> To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> Subject: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)
>
>
> Almost done with the conversion (just waiting for the driveshaft to get
> back for the machine shop), and thought that I would share what I found
> out in doing it.
>
> 1. The C-4 flexplate that was on my vehicle did not match up to the AOD
> (even though the part number that was listed was the same for a AOD as a
> C-4). Since my engine is a 351W (C9OE) and uses a 28oz balance, I could
> not use the one from the donor car (it had a 50oz balance). I got one
> from a 83 LTD with a 302 and AOD combo.
>
> 2. Even though I could remove the C-4 without taking the headers off,
> There was no way to install the AOD untill they where removed.
>
> 3. The C-4 yoke is about 2 1/2 inches longer than the AOD yoke. You do
> need to get one.
>
> 4. Drive shaft. The drive shaft would install with the AOD, but there
> was only 1/4 inch of freeplay. This turned out not to be enough. There
> was vibrations at 30mph and over. Had to remove drive shaft and get 3/4
> inch shaved off.
>
> While there where problems, The install was pretty easy. The total cost
> is as follows.
>
> Trans mount: 129.00
> Lokar TV cable: 69.00 (replaces kick down)
> Filter and Fluid: 35.00
> Trans and Yoke: 320.00
> Drive shaft (cut and balance): 91.00
> Use of bay with a Lift (I am lazy) : 50.00
>
> For a total of 694.00.
>
> Install took about 1 day.
>
> James
>
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Mail From: shawkins6 (Steve Hawkins)

Thanks.

Steve Hawkins



-----Original Message-----
From: (email redacted)
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:10 PM
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: Re: RE: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)


Darkhhorse Preformance. They had the best prices. The mount was about
the same, but the lokar cable was about $40.00 cheaper.

darkhorseperformance.com/

James


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Hawkins <(email redacted)>
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:23 pm
Subject: RE: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)

> Where did you get the transmission mount? I had to have one made
> for my
> conversion because all the vendors had them back ordered for over 6
> months.
>
> Steve Hawkins
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted)
> [(email redacted)] On Behalf Of
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:24 PM
> To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> Subject: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)
>
>
> Almost done with the conversion (just waiting for the driveshaft
> to get
> back for the machine shop), and thought that I would share what I
> foundout in doing it.
>
> 1. The C-4 flexplate that was on my vehicle did not match up to
> the AOD
> (even though the part number that was listed was the same for a
> AOD as a
> C-4). Since my engine is a 351W (C9OE) and uses a 28oz balance, I
> couldnot use the one from the donor car (it had a 50oz balance). I
> got one
> from a 83 LTD with a 302 and AOD combo.
>
> 2. Even though I could remove the C-4 without taking the headers off,
> There was no way to install the AOD untill they where removed.
>
> 3. The C-4 yoke is about 2 1/2 inches longer than the AOD yoke.
> You do
> need to get one.
>
> 4. Drive shaft. The drive shaft would install with the AOD, but there
> was only 1/4 inch of freeplay. This turned out not to be enough. There

> was vibrations at 30mph and over. Had to remove drive shaft and get
> 3/4 inch shaved off.
>
> While there where problems, The install was pretty easy. The total
> costis as follows.
>
> Trans mount: 129.00
> Lokar TV cable: 69.00 (replaces kick down)
> Filter and Fluid: 35.00
> Trans and Yoke: 320.00
> Drive shaft (cut and balance): 91.00
> Use of bay with a Lift (I am lazy) : 50.00
>
> For a total of 694.00.
>
> Install took about 1 day.
>
> James
>
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> lists.twistedpair.ca/mailman/listinfo.cgi/classic-mustangs
>
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Mail From: shawkins6 (Steve Hawkins)

After I made the swap I took it to a transmission shop to have them
bless everything and adjust the kickdown cable. I was concerned about
the driveshaft length also but, they said it was fine and had enough
movement.



Steve Hawkins



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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:04 AM
To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
Subject: RE: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)



I haven't done this type of swap but have done other engine swaps
(Pontiac and Buick to small block Chevy). I'd be careful about the
driveshaft length - the issue isn't whether it will work; there must be
suffifient free play in order not to over stress the bushings in the
transmission. There is a protocol for measuring the distance between
the tailshaft and the universal joint in order to determine the correct
length for the driveshaft. Unfortunately the last time I did this was
about 15 years ago and don't recall the resource I used (probably Car
Craft magazine).






-------------- Original message from "Steve Hawkins"
<(email redacted)>: --------------


> I also was able to use my drive shaft without any modification. I also

> have a 302 which may have been the difference.
>
> Steve Hawkins
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: (email redacted)
> [mailtoemail redacted)] On Behalf Of
> (email redacted)
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:24 PM
> To: A list for owners of Classic Mustangs
> Subject: [CM] 68 Coupe AOD Conversion (a little long)
>
>
> Almost done with the conversion (just waiting for the driveshaft to
get
> back for the machine shop), and thought that I would share what I
found
> out in doing it.
>
> 1. The C-4 flexplate that was on my vehicle did not match up to the
AOD
> (even though the part number that was listed was the same for a AOD as
a
> C-4). Since my engine is a 351W (C9OE) and uses a 28oz balance, I
could
> not use the one from the donor car (it had a 50oz balance). I got one
> from a 83 LTD with a 302 and AOD combo.
>
> 2. Even though I could remove the C-4 without taking the headers off,
> There was no way to install the AOD untill they where removed.
>
> 3. The C-4 yoke is about 2 1/2 inches longer than the AOD yoke. You do

> need to get one.
>
> 4. Drive shaft. The drive shaft would install with the AOD, but there
> was only 1/4 inch of freeplay. This turned out not to be enough. There

> was vibrations at 30mph and over. Had to remove drive shaft and get
3/4
> inch shaved off.
>
> While there where problems, The install was pretty easy. T he total
cost
> is as follows.
>
> Trans mount: 129.00
> Lokar TV cable: 69.00 (replaces kick down)
> Filter and Fluid: 35.00
> Trans and Yoke: 320.00
> Drive shaft (cut and balance): 91.00
> Use of bay with a Lift (I am lazy) : 50.00
>
> For a total of 694.00.
>
> Install took about 1 day.
>
> James
>
> _______________________________________________
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