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Mail From: May, Peter (email redacted)

>Hello everyone
>
>I was considering the pros & cons of making a swap from a 289 to 5.0 litre
>into my 66 (with c4).
>
>Does anyone have a how-to on this subject?
>
>I need specific details on transmission compatibility ( remain with c4 ,mine
>has 157 tooth flexplate vs late model 164, or go with AOD ). Also, is it
>possible to swap onto the 5.0 my current intake setup, edelbrock
>performer/holley 600, or is it an easy step to convert completely to
>injection? My preference is for a more original looking car.
>
>Can anybody give me a rundown on the differences between the 'normal' 5.0 and
>the HO versions, and which are the best models to look for. I would probably
>look at purchasing a low mileage engine between 1992-1995.
>
>Thanks for any advice.
>
>Peter May ((email redacted))
>66 fastback not working
>

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May, Peter wrote:
>
> >I was considering the pros & cons of making a swap from a 289 to 5.0 litre
> >into my 66 (with c4).
> >
> >Does anyone have a how-to on this subject?

I'll give it a shot!

> >I need specific details on transmission compatibility ( remain with c4 ,mine
> >has 157 tooth flexplate vs late model 164, or go with AOD ).

Art Carr has just the flexplate for you- it's what I'm running in my
5.0/C4 '65 2+2. He's a great guy, too. In the back of the rags is where
you'll find him.

The 5.0s use an external electric fuel pump; if you use the early model
timing cover, you'll need a block-off plate for the fuel pump hole. Also,
don't forget to re-install the front oil slinger (like I did) or you'll
dribble oil all the time. There's also the 5.0 dipstick hole which needs
to be blocked off from underneath- it runs through the block. Most shops
should have an assortment of SBC oil-hole block-off pins just for this
purpose. Do this or you'll blow oil all over your headers from the middle
of the block- ask me how I know. You'll need to re-use your oil pan too,
and pick-up, naturally. You should also be aware that if you use the
early timing chain cover, your timing pointer won't be anywhere NEAR
correct on the 5.0 balancer, which you'll need to use. This necessitates
a serpentine belt conversion, of course...

...or you can do the full 5.0 front dress and get a custom radiator (or
go with a universal hose kludge). I think Windsor-Fox has such a beast.

Give Windsor-Fox a call; I think they specialize in this sort of madness.
They advertize in the back of Super Ford/Mustang Monthly. Try Dark Horse
Performance too.

Oh yeah- get a fancy-schmancy distributor for 5.0s too, like MSD or such.
I'm not sure, but I don't think you can re-use yours; needs to have a
compatible cam gear, for sure, and the 5.0 is computer-y so it has a
computer-y distributor. I got a racing MSD billet and a 6AL box and
pretty much solved THAT one.

> >Also, is it
> >possible to swap onto the 5.0 my current intake setup, edelbrock
> >performer/holley 600,

Bolt-on.

> >or is it an easy step to convert completely to
> >injection? My preference is for a more original looking car.

Mine too; the FI is nice but a PITA to get under the hood.

> >Can anybody give me a rundown on the differences between the 'normal' 5.0 and
> >the HO versions, and which are the best models to look for. I would probably
> >look at purchasing a low mileage engine between 1992-1995.

That'll work fine- mine's a '91. It isn't as bad as it sounds; just took
a little planning, is all. Think it through as completely as you can-
keeps the "uh-oh"s to a bare minimum.

-- John Myrick --- SOD '89 --- (email redacted) -- Fordaholic --
---- Dig on my Fordified web page: .ncsu.edu/~jdmyrick/ ----
-- 1965 Shelby Clone - 1968 Mercury Monterey 390 - 1963 Fairlane 500 --
--- The Amateurs '97 -- "There is no such thing as a true bolt-on." ---

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Mail From: May, Peter (email redacted)

Thanks John,

Does anyone know for sure about the distributor? Can i just use my old
Autolite + Pertronix with a swap to a steel/bronze gear, or must I go
with:

a) late model with Duraspark
b) aftermarket.



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>Subject: [CM:4285] Re: 5.0 into 66
>
>May, Peter wrote:
>>
>> >I was considering the pros & cons of making a swap from a 289 to 5.0 litre
>> >into my 66 (with c4).
>> >
>> >Does anyone have a how-to on this subject?
>
><snip>
>
>Oh yeah- get a fancy-schmancy distributor for 5.0s too, like MSD or such.
>I'm not sure, but I don't think you can re-use yours; needs to have a
>compatible cam gear, for sure, and the 5.0 is computer-y so it has a
>computer-y distributor. I got a racing MSD billet and a 6AL box and
>pretty much solved THAT one.
>
>

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May, Peter wrote:
>
> Thanks John,
>
> Does anyone know for sure about the distributor? Can i just use my old
> Autolite + Pertronix with a swap to a steel/bronze gear, or must I go
> with:
>
> a) late model with Duraspark
> b) aftermarket.

The key question is, "What kind of metal is the cam gear made of?" and if
you match the metals up (steel/steel) with the distributor gear, I
imagine it'll be okey-dokey. There was a Fordnatics post on this very
subject, is all.

Apparently, the Duraspark is reliable, and the MSD box isn't. My 6AL
threw in the towel 45 miles from home, and I couldn't manage to by-pass
the box successfully. Thanks, AAA+ !

Personally, I'm gonna try to by-pass my MSD and be able to drive without
fear again. The NASCAR guys have *two* MSDs in the car, and if one goes
south, they flip a switch and voila! Lucky stiffs.

-- John Myrick --- SOD '89 --- (email redacted) -- Fordaholic --
---- Dig on my Fordified web page: .ncsu.edu/~jdmyrick/ ----
-- 1965 Shelby Clone - 1968 Mercury Monterey 390 - 1963 Fairlane 500 --
--- The Amateurs '97 -- "There is no such thing as a true bolt-on." ---